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hey fellas can you help me with the difference between m 50m winny tabs and zambon spain 50 mg apms? what i want to know is what does the "m" behind the 50 mean on the tabs is that 5 or 10 mg tabs and in your opinion will it matter much if the tabs were used over the shot?
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Originally Posted by tead09
It's 5mg tabs..... i think?
if it is 5 mg tabs then for a 6 week cycle i would need 260 pills that is if i am going to take them eod? i that correct 10 pills a day for 26 days. could someone with some more experience with this type of stuff help le out please?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sorken
and i was also jsut reading that with taking a large amount of these pills it can really do a number on your liver and some stomach problems would that be a problem with popppin 10 pills eod?
50mg a tab not 5 thats dbol, winny depot is much better i think you need 30 to 40% more of the winny tabs to be effective like the depot
Do you have any proof of this??? I dont think its anywhere near that muchQuote:
Originally Posted by chris1tr69
what r u wanting proof of. the part about the side effects i read on this web page in the steroid description but the math part i was just trying to figure out on my own that is why i was asking for some other opinions b/c i am not too good with math
I was referring to the effectiveness of winny depot vs. tabs.
from what i understand that is if it is 50 mg for the most part i do not thik there will be a huge differnce besides what is filtered out of your kidneys. but i do not know how much will be fillltered out of your kidneyi am pretty new at this stuff
Sorry vette I think Chris is right... I'm pretty sure you need at least 20% of the tabs... the depot hits your receptors A LOT better.
HP
so what i am gettin out of this is htat i might as well stay away from the tabs b/c of the amount of pills i would be takeing. i do not want any damage to my liver.
I am aware that it is slightly more effective. But it is still a 17aa, and have known people to get same gains from drinking vs shooting. I am always wanting to learn new things, and i dont want to thread-jack, i just wanted a reason why someone saidQuote:
Originally Posted by Huge Presser
"winny depot is much better i think you need 30 to 40% more of the winny tabs to be effective like the depot"
Ill bet JB has a study that could shed light on this....Where you at bro?
ive read countless times that the tabs are less effectuve then the depot, ive alson asked many mods to clarify this becuase a few freinds were a lil nervous about the eod injections, but i was strictly told that depot is much more effective, and less harsh on ur body
No thats rediculous. There was one study that showed it maybe 10% more effective in rats lol
Dont believe everything you read on a message board.
IF the tab says 50, its 50mg.Quote:
Originally Posted by tead09
The depot can be better, but the study showing that, was done on slead dogs, so it could be better in humans, but I haven't seen a study on it yet. The possibility of it staying in the system long, is possible because it doesn't have an ester attached to it.
The depot will be easier on the liver, because of the so called first pass. With tabs they go through the liver to get into the blood stream. Where with injections, it gets into the blood stream through the muscle, then goes through the liver. By passing the so called first pass.
Ajax posted the study on injectable winny, I'll find it and post the link.
JohnnyB
Here's the link http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...threadid=21861
JohnnyB
thankyou JB for helping to clarify things a bit..................
thanks JB!
It'll still have an effect on the liver, just not as bad, but I still would go over 8 weeks.
Glad I could help
JohnnyB
Nice, first time I seen that one.
The only thing that bothers me, is how they administered it. 2mg every 12 hours vs 25mg every 7 days. Im not trying to tear the study apart or anything, Im just wondering how that affected it since all they were measuring was nitrogen retention.
thankyou JB for helping to clarify things a bit..................
I have read that it is wise to chew the tabs for better absorption.
The chewing the tabs idea came form **'s tabs being so hard that people chewed them to make sure they got absorbed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Money Boss Hustla
JohnnyB
ok fellas thanks for all the great info i am taking in but the other part of my question is what can i expcet form takeing 10-12 tabs eod in regards to sy my liver and joints?
haha ouch...................... how long?
Tablets should never be taken EOD but split up as often as possible - say every 4-6 hrs - only reason people inject EOD is because they dont inject every few hours like they should - its the same as test suspension - winny in oil can be a little slower to disperse but mostly just because it doesnt come out of solution as fast.Quote:
Originally Posted by tead09
tablet gains and inject are pretty much the same IMO unless you are doing spot injects - say for bicepts or other small muscles - then you can get some extra mileage from the inject - otherwise, go with tabs IMO
that's how I feelQuote:
Originally Posted by CYCLEON
The sled dog study is horrible and in my opinion proves nothing. Not only is the administration of the drug poorly done but the nitrogen retention is measured soon after an injection. With winnys short half life taking a 70mg injection and then measuring Nitrogen retention over a dog receiving a 10mg pill makes it pretty easy to predict the outcome. In my experience the pills are as effective as injections although I do love site injecting winny.
I'm not much on animal studies, but I believe it's the source of the injections are better then tabs.
JohnnyB