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    Lightbulb How to control DHT and Progesterone

    Hi!!!
    I'm 28 years old and use testosterone ha two years without stopping, between low and high dose (250-500mg / week). I'm thin, I want to be show, I have a hard time gaining weight (muscle). My diet is very good (I'm a dietitian). I'm here because my exams have changed and can not recover them.

    In use:
    500mg / week test
    0.5mg / day anastrozole

    Labs:
    Total cholesterol - 196mg / dL (150-199)
    HDL - 52mg / dl (> 40)
    LDL - 131mg / dl (<130)

    LH - <0.1mU / ml (3-15)
    FSH - 0.19mU / ml (5-15)
    Total Testosterone - 6409ng / dL (300-1200)
    Free testosterone - 4389pmol / l (131-640)
    DHT - more that 2500 pg / mL (112-955)
    Progesterone - 4.23ng / ml (0:10 to 0:20)

    E2 - 11pg / mL (10-30)
    Prolactin - 7.8ng / mL (2.64 to 13.13)
    SHBG - 16nmol / L (13-71)
    DHEA - 6.6 ng / mL (3-11)

    TSH - 2.4uIU / ml (0.5-5.0)
    T3 free - 3.7pg / ml (2.5-3.9)
    FT4 - 1.1ng / dl (0.9-2.4)

    DHT and progesterone worry me
    THANK YOU AND SORRY FOR MY INGELS

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    DHT its easy, 1mg finasteride ED will put it under control.

    Progesterone its not easy, are you taking HcG ?

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    it is worth controlling DHT? I'm afraid of the effects of finasteride. I've read that too high DHT has problems...
    I've never used HCG (yet)
    Wwhat do you think of my thyroid panel?
    Tks

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    Yes, I think its worth controlling DHT, unless you want to be bald and have prostate problems.

    Finasteride horror stories are from ppl not controlling DHT once through blood work.
    You need some DHT to be a male for sure, but not supraphysiological levels.

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    Well, I never worried me because I see that the DHT in the prostate problem is when E2 is increased as well. But OK. I'll slow it down a bit.

    and now how to decrease progesterone ???
    And thyroid?? What d u think?

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    High progesterone could be a side of anastrozole but can't be sure. You can manage DHT as simple as lowering test and splitting to biweekly pins.

    Your thyroid looks great.

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    But I divide the testosterone doses to better control blood levels .. E2.

    I'm using anastrozole. I do not think a solution to decrease this progesterone!!!

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    I was under the impression that the reference range for Progesterone is 0.15-25 ng/ml or 0.10-20ng/ml depending on the lab.

    How do you feel now as opposed to how you feel normally?

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    "The normal ranges for progesterone is 0.27–0.9 ng/ml" by https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3003948/
    I feel:

    Side Effects Of High Progesterone Levels:
    - Erectile Dysfunction
    - Depression
    - Lethargy
    - Fatigue
    - Lower Libido
    - Hair Loss
    - Gynecomastia
    - Muscle Atrophy

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    Honestly man reference range depends on testing method.

    The study you linked used competitive chemoluminescent enzyme immunoassay compiled with a Siemens IMMULITE 2000 immunoassay system.

    I doubt that's the same method your lab used.

    Imo you should see a urologist.

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    Could also be some assay interference. Are you taking DHEA?

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    chemiluminescent microparticle by (CMIA) - The reference I took the lab

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    Not. I do not take anything besides the above reported. A few months ago has increased

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMais View Post
    chemiluminescent microparticle by (CMIA) - The reference I took the lab
    The range for PRO using CMIA is 3.46 - 19.40ng/ml.

    Do you really have all the side effects you listed in post #9?

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    Yes. My lab shows this reference? they can not be wrong ...
    [MALES: < 0.1 - 0.2] - ilexmedical.com/files/PDF/Progesterone
    Last edited by KMais; 09-29-2016 at 01:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMais View Post
    Yes. My lab shows this reference? they can not be wrong ...
    [MALES: < 0.1 - 0.2] - ilexmedical.com/files/PDF/Progesterone
    I don't know buddy.

    Imo you should see a urologist.

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    Don't talk yourself into having the side effects just because you researched them. Do what BB said if you have an issue with your DHT level. That small amound of Fina won't bother you. Think of it this way, you're taking supraphysiologic levels of Test for two years yet you worry about a very small dose of Finasteride?
    It would also probably bode you well to reduce your AI dose to EOD. You do not need it daily. If you're suffering from libido issues your low E is probably the culprit.
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    I just wanted to see about his TSH being where it is in that range?

    Edit... I meant TSH not FT3
    Last edited by NACH3; 09-29-2016 at 02:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    The range for PRO using CMIA is 3.46 - 19.40ng/ml.

    Do you really have all the side effects you listed in post #9?
    PROlactin or PROgesterone??

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    Quote Originally Posted by KMais View Post

    and now how to decrease progesterone ???
    And thyroid?? What d u think?
    I would also like to know how to reduce PROgesterone lol ... Im thinking all my gyno flares are due to it.

    Your thyroid look OK, great free t3, TSH a bit high but its kinda normal for it to rise a bit when on test. Thyroid problem you need to look at symptoms too... and even then its not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    PROlactin or PROgesterone??
    Oh geez thanks for pointing that out B.

    I was referencing prolactin.

    OP was right, the CMIA range for progesterone is < 0.1 - 0.2ng/ml.

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    Mr. BB, my free T3 is good, but not my TSH. I see that it is good near 1.5.

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    DHT and Progesterone is always good to control. If you don't have a history male pattern baldness, I hope the DHT won't bother you much. My family, on both my mother and father's side has had no MPB for 3 generations. I ran cycles for 10 years with no problem and all of a sudden, WHAM! My hair starts thinning! Man, it was emotionally distressing for a long time. Control the DHT now when it doesn't bother you. It's too late when your hair starts to thin. Progesterone can also be controlled pretty easily with some good AI. I like adex 'cause it has a longer half life. Never really had any problems with gyno. I did run Tren /Test with no Caber and got a little gyno. I was running adex so I'm assuming it was from Prolactin. Gyno was minor and went away about 4 weeks after the end of cycle. IMO, it's always better to control the concentration level before they start to affect you.

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    I'm taking anastrozole (ADEX) ED and my only progesterone increases.

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