Test E+Winny. First cycle.

**Dazhy** · 11-15-2016, 09:47 AM

Hello , ill do my first cycle in some months (May) so im thinking to do as simple i can.

Now im bulking till april , im 75kg now so my bulk goal is hit 80kg. And later starting cut and do the cycle.

My goal with the cycle is being shredded and gain some lean mass , so i think test+winny is good for a begginer like me, 12 weeks of test e and the last 6 weeks add oral winny.
(And maybe some CLEN and the end.)
What do you guys think?

My stats :

21(in may)
bodyfat: around 15%
1,78cm
Working out for 2 years(with 56kg ahaha)

Thanks and hope you have a gooday.

**ScotchGuard02** · 11-15-2016, 01:25 PM

Welcome to the forum. I am assuming you've read The Young and Steroids ?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 11-15-2016, 01:36 PM

21 is too young
Testosterone only for first cycle.

**01dragonslayer** · 11-15-2016, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

21 is too young
Testosterone only for first cycle.

I concur.

**Dazhy** · 11-16-2016, 05:50 AM

First thanks to everyone for the feedback.Yeah i read the Marcu's post about young&steroids .

I know test only is the best for the 1st cycle but my goal is cut and gain lean mass so i think oral winny in the last 6 weeks can help me to get the shredded look.

**ghettoboyd** · 11-16-2016, 06:13 AM

its not as easy as just add winny and get ripped...you really have to have your diet in order(calorie deficit) to start cutting...post a picture of yourself so we can see where your at...I feel your goal may be unrealistic but who know if your already in fantastic shape with low bf maybe its possible...

**Dazhy** · 11-16-2016, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

its not as easy as just add winny and get ripped...you really have to have your diet in order(calorie deficit) to start cutting...post a picture of yourself so we can see where your at...I feel your goal may be unrealistic but who know if your already in fantastic shape with low bf maybe its possible...

The diet will be on point (low carb with 1refeed p/ week) so its not a problem.Yeah i know.Steroids are not a fatburners.The only thing can get you shredded without deficit is dnp , and no , these shit is fuckinggg crazyy :/ .

I saw winny can help me to look shredded cuz is ok with the water retention.. and give a solid look.

Thanks bro.

**ghettoboyd** · 11-16-2016, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dazhy

The diet will be on point (low carb with 1refeed p/ week) so its not a problem.Yeah i know.Steroids are not a fatburners.The only thing can get you shredded without deficit is dnp , and no , these shit is fuckinggg crazyy :/ .

I saw winny can help me to look shredded cuz is ok with the water retention.. and give a solid look.

Thanks bro.

it can If you are of low bf by the time you start it.... good luck...

**Dazhy** · 11-16-2016, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

it can If you are of low bf by the time you start it.... good luck...

Yes i think start around 13-14% its enought..and im not the thypical guy who start a cycle around 20%BF and he want to get shredded in some weeks with a shit diet.Trust me.I read a lot about roids , and i know its not a magic product.

Ty and hope you have a good day.

**nukzahaha** · 11-16-2016, 11:44 AM

I'm 23

I want to say that first week of PCT is very shitttttt harddddddddddddd

good luck bro

**Back In Black** · 11-16-2016, 12:30 PM

You need to focus on your diet and delay the idea of a cycle my friend.

156lbs at 15% and 5'10 and a bit tall indicates you have some learning and or implementing of a good diet plan.

Most people underestimate their body fat % but Post a pic of yourself please as you may look better than your stats suggest.

**Scorpion0922** · 11-16-2016, 08:55 PM

Bro, if you BELIEVE this:

The only thing can get you shredded without deficit is dnp ,

Then you ....in no way, shape, or form....are ready for AAS