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Has the steroid community become more educated?
ive heard alot of misinformation from older guys who started using gear before the internet was around. I guess without this great online community, you only learned by word of mouth and magazines. The two things i hear the most is that an AI isnt neccesary unless you get gyno and that hcg is used for pct. is it correct to say that hcg should be used throughout an entire 12 week test e cycle, then for another 2 additional weeks until pct? Also, should the AI be used for that entire 14 weeks?
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12-03-2016, 08:36 PM #2
AI is necessary on cycle as is hcg and hcg is necessary up to the start of pct. This community is the most knowledgable you will find. This place has grown up with anabolics. Proper research here will dispell all rumor and leave you with facts.
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Man, the shit I hear from the older guys to the young
They just go by word of mouth & never do any sort of research themselves
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12-03-2016, 09:06 PM #5
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12-04-2016, 07:32 AM #6Junior Member
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AI is absolutely not necessary. If you are lean enough, you shouldn't experience any estrogen related symptoms throughout your cycle at all. I just finished a 9 week 600mg/wk Test E cycle without an AI and other than a bit of bloat which was expected, I had no estrogen sides. Plus, estrogen can help a lot with gains.
hcg should be started on week 3 of the cycle, and stopped on the day of your last pin, don't use it during pct.
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Incorrect from a medical point of view. Even though everyone is different just the bloat promotes increased sinus blockage and less than nominal sleep. This will up blood pressure and sleep heart rate and reduce oxygen content of the blood and that is the bare minimum of what it will do. Higher than normal estrogen(your body's chosen level and not the range on a generic blood test) impacts the thyroid directly reducing T4 and T3 from nominal values. If you didnt AI then most likely you did not blood test enough to see the impact.
Because you can do it doesn't mean you shoulld
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I think every community of every type has became more educated.
We live in the Information Age now where access to any type of information
Is instant. I think in some respects our culture isn't adapting to this new reality
Especially with our education systems and legacy types of media.
The only thing That I worry about is false information being took as fact. If enough people say Something that is patently false enough times, it becomes "fact." Once a particular idea takes root and holds, it is very hard to get people with our many biases and egos to admit we were wrong and accept a new idea. That is why we Should all train ourselves to be open and listen to new ideas no matter how much it pains our ego or takes us out of our intellectual comfort zone.
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12-04-2016, 08:31 AM #10Junior Member
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I am certain mine were raised, and I dont necessarily think that's a bad thing seeing as estrogen is pretty anabolic and helps with gains. The wrong kind of replies would be to say it's an absolute to run an AI like you're saying, which it definitely is not an absolute.
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12-04-2016, 09:22 AM #11
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12-04-2016, 09:30 AM #12
Just because you don't feel the side effects, doesn't mean you dont have the estrogen of an ovulating female.
High estrogen being unhealthy is not a myth, there is plenty of evidence of promoting cardiovascular problems, and certain types of cancer. The evidence was so overwhelming in the medical community that hormonal therapy (yes, it is mostly estrogen) for menopausal and perimenopausal women is very rare nowadays.
Thinking only at gyno and bloating as estrogen side effects is really only looking at the benign side effects.
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12-04-2016, 05:55 PM #18Junior Member
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none of you understand the benefits of estrogen at all, no offense. It's not the enemy like everyone claims it is
it has a linear relationship at stimulating protein synthesis in connective tissue, so it keeps you injury free. It also stimulates growth hormone production, stimulates muscle repair, prevents excessive muscle damage, and it also even helps your lipid profile.
again, if you're lean enough and have a good diet, you will almost certainly not experience any estrogen related side effects at all.
you're the dumbass. You dont even have a reason as to why I'm wrong, you're just spouting your worthless opinion.Last edited by brobeans443; 12-04-2016 at 05:58 PM.
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12-04-2016, 06:23 PM #19
You hit the wrong person, I actually need my Test to be quite high to aromatize into enough estrogen, I feel so bad from low E2 that I'd gladly take estrogen if I weren't able to obtain Test
The point is, estradiol is a very potent steroid and we males need only a tiny bit of it to function, with higher levels providing no further benefits
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12-04-2016, 07:44 PM #21
Since I can't get gyno I've run test without an AI.
Is there still no point in running an AI?
Ofcourse there is.
Is there any point to letting your E2 get a little higher?
I think it is, but with everything there's a risk to reward issue.
Yes estrogen has many negatives, and for all normal cycles I'd say include an AI.
Does that mean that I use an AI all the time?
No, and I've done lots of bloodwork while doing so,
and I've seen that E2 can get over the ref range and I've seen them within it.
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12-04-2016, 08:51 PM #22
So I guess all the top doctors in the medical community, including the most influential in the HRT field are all wrong? But you are correct? More often or not guys on only HRT are prescribed low dose AI's to maintain a normal, healthy estrogen level, even when their T levels are in a normal range. Damn doctors don't know anything.
I guess this makes gyno, bloating, loss of libido, etc a healthy thing.
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12-05-2016, 12:58 AM #24
You STUPID RETARD! If you took 5 mins to google the dangers and diseases linked to high estrogen, you will see that there is zero benefit to having elevated estrogen. Your stupidity is only matched by your arrogance and over blown sense of self importance.
Read Kelkel comment. The man knows a thousand times more than you will ever know, and he clearly states no benefit to elevated estrogen. As I said to you before, STOP SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION! ITS NOT FACTUAL! Its just your worthless opinion.
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12-05-2016, 02:58 AM #25
What is necessary?...no anchis is necessary. PCT isnt necessary. Lee Priest never did one single pct. Ive run over 20 cycles with no anchis or pct. When u quit u will loose it all and more nomatter what. Pct is just a delay.
But anchis canhelp u stop some of the sides. BP f.i. And some psycological issues. But necessary. I would say nop
Protein energy training rest and ARstimulation are necessary.
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I think this is an appropriate time for some George Carlin.
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12-05-2016, 07:26 AM #34
Jaysus! Sil! You are gonna give somone tits and tiny balls! Most.... not all but most people, will not have their natural production of testosterone return at all without pct. I have ran cycles back to back and without AI or hcg . It is much much smarter and safer to do it right though. Not everyone is like you and most arent. We all try to let you know how special you are every day buddy. You are thuper peshal!
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This thread is a good example on how people don't listen or do real research.
So many just go by "whatever"
who needs an Ai < okay, you got this
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12-05-2016, 12:18 PM #36Knowledgeable Member
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A lot fo people now are saying estrogen should be kept at a certain ratio to your test. So when you up your total test into the 5k range your e2 should also be raised to maintain a certain ratio. They dont realize that there is a range for a reason, and it should be kept within that range. Men only require minimal estrogen, like a women requires minimal testosterone . Beans is just a dipshit. If people wont listen im al for them receiving the Darwin award. I will no longer try to help those to retarded to listen to facts.
before long were going to have kids stealing their menopausal moms estrogen/progesterone cream for gainzzz.
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