Hypothetical new way to do a cycle that I came up with.

[MMA_Influenced]

Guys listen Im no expert Im just throwing something against the wall and seeing if it sticks. It seems to me that when we take enanthates we have a period of time at the beginning of the cycle and at the end when our blood levels are either building or lowering.

Being as how these periods of time arent exactly big time periods of growth and how our body is still shut down while the drugs either slowly build up or leave our system then maybe we are wasting potential time in our cycle despite the fact our bodies are just as shut down as ever. I think this is why people kick start with dbol but also end cycles with winny obviously but then why cant we do this by supplementing short esters in?

So how about this:

Week 1-12 200-300 mg Test Enth
Week 1-12 600mg Tren Enth

Week 1-3 75 mg per day tren acetate (and some test prop mixed in)

Week 13-14. 75mg tren acetate daily + some test prop.


The way Im seeing it the first 3 weeks wont be strong and the last couple weeks waiting for the drugs to leave the system wont be either.. why dont we add short acting esters in so that we can extend the cycle and get bigger gains?

Just saying.. your body is shut down anyway 2 weeks after stopping enth.. why not continue with acetate for a while longer? Why not start with acetate at the beginning to get gains as well?

This is a hypothetical kickstart/end of cycle idea that Im considering for myself.

What do you guys think.. will it work? Will I recover just as well or will it harm my body.

The way I see it is my body will be "shutdown" for 14 weeks from a 12 week cycle so why not put short acting esters in at the beginning and end so I can have a longer period of strong growth? My understanding is my body will be shut down anyway in those 14 weeks so whats the harm?

Acetate has a 3 day half life
Enth has 14

Seems plausible you could let enth disapait and then let acetate take over for a while and time the end of the cycle so you have just as much shut down time on your body (0 natural test) but far more strength and longevity of the cycle

[01dragonslayer]

No prob with this. Its not an uncommon practice.

[kelkel]

Or just run a total short ester cycle and keep it simple.

[MMA_Influenced]

Or just run a total short ester cycle and keep it simple.

Yeah but who ever recommends doing 14 weeks of tren acetate?

Maybe the better question I should be asking is... why do we run 12 week enth cycles which shut you down for 14 weeks and only run tren ace for 8 weeks when that only shuts you down for 10 weeks.

12 weeks Tren Enth = 16 weeks until drug is out of system (start pct week 14).

8 week Tren Ace = 10 weeks until drug is out of system completely.

So Tren enth cycles shut your natural test production for 16 weeks versus 10.. so why does everyone recommend running short esters for shorter amounts of time?

Wouldnt it be wiser then to run Tren Ace for 12 weeks as well as with Tren enth?

Hell a 12 week Acetate cycle enters and leaves your system completely 2 weeks earlier than a 12 week enth cycle.

What am I missing here. Hell you could run a 13.5 week Acetate cycle and still start pct at the same time as with enth.

[01dragonslayer]

I would guess the most logical answer would be less injection frequency.

[ScotchGuard02]

If you're front loading with acetate until enth kicks in, then what's the difference of running a 14 week acetate cycle? In either case, you're running the same amount of gear.

[MMA_Influenced]

If you're front loading with acetate until enth kicks in, then what's the difference of running a 14 week acetate cycle? In either case, you're running the same amount of gear.

Less injections are more convienient plus more stable blood levels Im thinking.

A lot of people like to inject daily with acetate so it would be nice to do enth and keep stable levels for a large period of the 14 weeks i would think.

Also you do bring up an interesting question.... why not do 14 weeks of tren Ace? When we do 12 weeks of enth were just as shut down through that whole period of time.

[DocToxin8]

Longer esters = convenience.
Front loading with orals as well as finishing with them or a short ester makes sense and isn't uncommon. Would be even more common were it not because when most people buy gear for their cycles, they buy just the ester their gonna run throughout, and maybe an oral for frontloading.
But I agree that finishing with a short ester, or an oral makes sense.

I remember the old days when I ended a cycle with just a primobolan taper though. One week at 250mg test e, one week at 200mg primobolan enth, then one at 100mg and one at 50mg. And it actually felt pretty smooth at the time.
Nowadays that would be seen as an insane PCT, or actually no PCT.
Just came to think about it when discussing ester types to finish on.
As one could also think that the gradual reduction in test when using enth could give a smoother PCT, as one administer SERMs once T levels are low enough to allow secretion of LH/FSH. And since we know SERMs will raise T levels in a man by 200% (seem to remember that from a study, but check for accuracy), then it follows that T levels can still be pretty high in the system when starting PCT with SERMs, so that in theory the transition from exogenous T to endogenous T can happen quite smoothly.

If the HPTA will kick in faster and better with almost no T present, or will do it just as quick by a gradual decrease in T i don't know.
E2 is after all much more suppressive than T, so is progesterone (hence do not end a cycle with tren lingering), so the SERMs should allow recovery with still anabolic levels of T present, in theory.

[kelkel]

Yeah but who ever recommends doing 14 weeks of tren acetate?

No one I know. Not that you couldn't but you better stay up on BW as you'll have little to no HDL left and your RBC's will be through the roof.

[kelkel]

If the HPTA will kick in faster and better with almost no T present, or will do it just as quick by a gradual decrease in T i don't know.

Now that would be an interesting study to see. I've personally pulled BW while running Nolva both on cycle and just TRT and specifically included LH/FSH just to see if there was any pituitary response. There was none whatsoever. With that said, for there to be a pituitary response (at least in my old body) T levels would apparently have to be substantially below normal HRT levels. Exactly when endogenous production resumes would be fascinating to know.

Interesting stuff.

[Couchlock]

This is why my next cycle (if I do it) is
Test enth 1-14 500mg per week
Mast enth 3-14 400mg per week

Also am adding in test oil base suspension as pre workout 3x a week in weeks 1-2

And I'm going to run it during my 14 day wait after last pin of enth. So ill go 3x a week with test base prior to pct

[MMA_Influenced]

If the body recovers just as quick if dropped to zero as with a gradual decrease in T then we probably should all be doing short esters at the end of our cycles to get the extra 3 weeks of cycle. Anyway.. kel brings up a good point about the rbcs. Health is key when considering this.

[Bonaparte]

By God, you've done it! You've reinvented the wheel!

[DocToxin8]

By God, you've done it! You've reinvented the wheel!

It was a good idea even if it wasn't an original one though.
But that comment made me laugh though, the thread title does make it sound a little presumptuous.