All about MASTERONE!

[redz]

If you're after serious amounts of lean tissue as stated, I would skip the masteron and go back to var. I know you want to use it and it is a fun little steroid to take (I just started today), but for the price and based off what you're asking for, you'll be sorely disappointed. I'm being honest as I can be. It's fun it you have the money to spend and your expectations are not for serious amounts of lean tissue. I do love it as most do, but it just isn't that great as a sidekick for test only. If tren is in the mix, it is much better as there is a synergistic effect. But there again you're looking at another compound and another dollar.

you really love anavar don't you. It is not a good compound for gaining mass and even masteron is more anabolic .

[redz]

The numbers suggest that anavar is more anabolic but it just doesn't translate to real life results.

[Couchlock]

If you're after serious amounts of lean tissue as stated, I would skip the masteron and go back to var. I know you want to use it and it is a fun little steroid to take (I just started today), but for the price and based off what you're asking for, you'll be sorely disappointed. I'm being honest as I can be. It's fun it you have the money to spend and your expectations are not for serious amounts of lean tissue. I do love it as most do, but it just isn't that great as a sidekick for test only. If tren is in the mix, it is much better as there is a synergistic effect. But there again you're looking at another compound and another dollar.

I'm never running tren ,deca , or dbol ever in my life.

I can't afford var it would cost 650$ alone just in anavar

[redz]

Anavar is always cost prohibitive. I like oral winstrol over anavar.

[< <Samson> >]

Winni does seem quite more cost effective for a guy at least. A dude would need a ton of Var to make it worthwhile running.

[Couchlock]

Winni does seem quite more cost effective for a guy at least. A dude would need a ton of Var to make it worthwhile running.

Mast seems more cholesterol friendly of the 3, mast var winny

[DocToxin8]

Mast seems more cholesterol friendly of the 3, mast var winny

And I'm willing to bet it is.
While anavar is seen as so friendly,
It's still a c17aa oral.
Mast is a 17beta esterified injected AAS. I'd bet it's kinder on lipids.

As for mass,
I never liked var. mg for mg it might be stronger or equal to mast.
And there's no denying the synergy between a c17aa oral and an injectable.

But I don't think you'll ever get a more feel good cycle than test and masteron .
No, it ain't the best combo for mass.
But with the masteron you could simply up the test dosage a little.

Want mass,
Then do a either DBOL or if just want LBM, then TBOL (I like it over winny),
and test. Plain and simple.

Masteron is cheaper than it used to be, but for its cost it's still not a cheap builder by any means. But it's a "pleasant" AAS.
It's actually quite mild. Kinda of like people that hate boldenone .
(Yet boldenone doesn't have the nice side effects that mast has)
But as a builder their comparable, and the reason people like or dislike boldenone is usually the same reason: it's mild. (The long ester in EQ also being a reason)

[Couchlock]

And I'm willing to bet it is.
While anavar is seen as so friendly,
It's still a c17aa oral.
Mast is a 17beta esterified injected AAS. I'd bet it's kinder on lipids.

As for mass,
I never liked var. mg for mg it might be stronger or equal to mast.
And there's no denying the synergy between a c17aa oral and an injectable.

But I don't think you'll ever get a more feel good cycle than test and masteron .
No, it ain't the best combo for mass.
But with the masteron you could simply up the test dosage a little.

Want mass,
Then do a either DBOL or if just want LBM, then TBOL (I like it over winny),
and test. Plain and simple.

Masteron is cheaper than it used to be, but for its cost it's still not a cheap builder by any means. But it's a "pleasant" AAS.
It's actually quite mild. Kinda of like people that hate boldenone .
(Yet boldenone doesn't have the nice side effects that mast has)
But as a builder their comparable, and the reason people like or dislike boldenone is usually the same reason: it's mild. (The long ester in EQ also being a reason)

Isn't dbol the one that's takes forever and ever to leave your system to start pct?

[DocToxin8]

Isn't dbol the one that's takes forever and ever to leave your system to start pct?

DBOL has a very short half life, shorter than most other orals.
Some say 3,5h, but 5h is probably more accurate.

It does convert (aromatize) in a low degree to methyl estradiol.
A very powerful estrogen.

But that's blocked by the SERMs in PCT anyway.

[DocToxin8]

You're thinking about EQ. Which structure (boldenone ) is identical to DBOL yet lacking the c17 methyl group.
And in EQ the boldenone is esterified with Undecanoate.
An even longer ester than in Deca .

[Couchlock]

You're thinking about EQ. Which structure (boldenone ) is identical to DBOL yet lacking the c17 methyl group.
And in EQ the boldenone is esterified with Undecanoate.
An even longer ester than in Deca.

Is dbol a progestin type needing caber?

I never wanna touch 19nors.

They always seem to give people trouble, not something I care to manage.

What are all the roids easily managed with anastrozole?

I wanna avoid ones needing caber, DA'S, and letro

[DocToxin8]

DBOL isn't a progestin or a 19nor.

However, the formation of methylestradiol isn't easily hindered by an AI.
That said, DBOL aromatizes to a low degree, something which one can notice when one runs it solo.
So the usual adex on cycle with test and DBOL is plenty to avoid gyno,
but expect to get some more bloat than usual. But by no means that bad if diet is Ok.
I like DBOL a a lot actually. It's quite a gentle compound as far as liver and such when run with some test.
(Old studies were patienta were treated with 50mg DBOL a day for 6mo usually went ok, or said another way, they didn't have to stop the study for side effects)

So with dosages of 25-40mg daily with your test, that usually equates to good gains and you feel good also. (Some react badly to DBOL just like I react badly to oral winny in doses over 20mg for any period of time)

Actually, masteron would (by its estrogen inhibiting side effects) be a good addition to help on a test + DBOL cycle. But that's complicated for a second cycle.

[redz]

My first cycle I blew up like 20lbs in 2 weeks with dbol I was definitely bloated lol but I was taking arimidex but I cleaned up my diet and found I was eating way too much sodium. Needless to say people noticed I got bigger instantly which was not what I wanted lol

[PT1982]

you really love anavar don't you. It is not a good compound for gaining mass and even masteron is more anabolic.

Lol. I do like anavar . It's not as bad at mass building as you let on. It's not ideal for a all out bulk, but it's spot on for a good 5-10 lean pounds if diet and training is spot on. Masteron is no where close to it from an anabolic standpoint. Masteron is a week builder both on paper and in most actual instances. However, I won't say it's not for you, as I've stated that for me, anavar is a good builder. Everyone's physiology is so different that no one compound will be exact for many. Even dbol is used by many in leading up to a show, and dropped way later than would be recommended.

[PT1982]

I'm never running tren ,deca , or dbol ever in my life.

I can't afford var it would cost 650$ alone just in anavar

You say that! Lol. We all say that. But I understand that cost-reward ratio. I've not bought domestic or local ugl in so long that I was shocked when someone said 40 dollars for test was cheap. I wouldn't want to and if it was left up to me having to buy that way, I would be cost conscious as well, and probably not even buy knowing that actual cost to produce. I'm sure whatever you choose you'll be happy with. I'm always happier when on.

[Couchlock]

Lol. I do like anavar. It's not as bad at mass building as you let on. It's not ideal for a all out bulk, but it's spot on for a good 5-10 lean pounds if diet and training is spot on. Masteron is no where close to it from an anabolic standpoint. Masteron is a week builder both on paper and in most actual instances. However, I won't say it's not for you, as I've stated that for me, anavar is a good builder. Everyone's physiology is so different that no one compound will be exact for many. Even dbol is used by many in leading up to a show, and dropped way later than would be recommended.

I dunno man, ill run the var, press me some 20mg tabs for 50cents each, ill be glad to.lol

No var is worth 700 for 10 weeks, I'm sorry its not worth it.

I do like the boost in strength it gave me at 35mg for 28 days, I can only imagine what 60 Or 70 would do for 7 to 10 weeks.

But I'm sure, mast at 400 per week is damn near comparable.

Plus orals are boring. Some thing about injecting,makes me feel fancy and special. I liked it from the fist pin.call me sick, but I did. Its like "moohooheeheehaha, get in there, nice and deep special muscle sauce" any old joe can pop a tablet, it takes a special kind of fucked up and dedicated to drive a 23g needle 1.5" into you leg and inject some crazy ass grape seed oil in you leg.

So, back to the mast,perfectly fine I'm assuming to draw both my test and mast into same barrel and inject all at once 2x a week?

[redz]

You can mix oils all you like hell im taking a blend that is 200mg Test E and 200mg Tren E per ml. Sometimes you can find test/mast combos too.

[Sh0tsf1red]

I dunno man, ill run the var, press me some 20mg tabs for 50cents each, ill be glad to.lol

No var is worth 700 for 10 weeks, I'm sorry its not worth it.

I do like the boost in strength it gave me at 35mg for 28 days, I can only imagine what 60 Or 70 would do for 7 to 10 weeks.

But I'm sure, mast at 400 per week is damn near comparable.

Plus orals are boring. Some thing about injecting,makes me feel fancy and special. I liked it from the fist pin.call me sick, but I did. Its like "moohooheeheehaha, get in there, nice and deep special muscle sauce" any old joe can pop a tablet, it takes a special kind of fucked up and dedicated to drive a 23g needle 1.5" into you leg and inject some crazy ass grape seed oil in you leg.

So, back to the mast,perfectly fine I'm assuming to draw both my test and mast into same barrel and inject all at once 2x a week?

I'm with you on this!

[TRA]

IM GOING TO RUN TEST E AND MASTERONE NEXT CYCLE.

1-14 test e 500 per.
5-14 mast e 400 per
1-16 .25mg to .5mg Adex eod
Hcg throughout.

Of course standard PCT
75/50/50/50 Clomid
40/20/20/20/20/10 Nolva

What are the "in and outs" of masterone? Do I need to keep prolactin or progestin under carefully scrutiny? Will adex take care of gyno estrogen related sides, or do I need something like caber?

Just wanna get my ducks all lined up for this July august.

Input and experience welcome and needed.

Mast blew up my RBC count in short order a number of years ago, like quickly and dangerously. Much more so than test, tren , or deca . Not sure why, but just an fyi to keep an eye out.

[hammerheart]

You can mix oils all you like hell im taking a blend that is 200mg Test E and 200mg Tren E per ml. Sometimes you can find test/mast combos too.

You never know what you get in those blends, looking at third party tests they are often underdosed or even lacking a compound.

[numbere]

Mast blew up my RBC count in short order a number of years ago, like quickly and dangerously. Much more so than test, tren, or deca. Not sure why, but just an fyi to keep an eye out.

I experience the same rapid increase in blood counts from mast.

Mast raises my blood counts faster then tren /drol.

[numbere]

Mast blew up my RBC count in short order a number of years ago, like quickly and dangerously. Much more so than test, tren, or deca. Not sure why, but just an fyi to keep an eye out.

I experience the same rapid increase in blood counts from mast.

Mast raises my blood counts faster then tren /drol.

[Couchlock]

I experience the same rapid increase in blood counts from mast.

Mast raises my blood counts faster then tren/drol.

To combat this, you give blood, correct?

[numbere]

To combat this, you give blood, correct?

Yes, we had this conversation in your last thread about watching your BP and HCT while on mast.

Then losing some blood if needed.

[Couchlock]

Yes, we had this conversation in your last thread about watching your BP and HCT while on mast.

Then losing some blood if needed.

Please sir , don't be sore with me. Lol.

Ok so what are some very tell tale symptoms of high RBC and HCT?

[numbere]

Please sir , don't be sore with me. Lol.

Ok so what are some very tell tale symptoms of high RBC and HCT?

Until you become more familiar with the symptoms of various side effects your best bet is to get a CBC panel.

[Bio-Active]

I experience the same rapid increase in blood counts from mast.

Mast raises my blood counts faster then tren/drol.

Mast Prop does this to me as well but Mast E doesn't raise my Crit much

[numbere]

Mast Prop does this to me as well but Mast E doesn't raise my Crit much

Hmm that's interesting.

I've only used short esters since the first cycle so I can't compare the two.

[TRA]

Please sir , don't be sore with me. Lol.

Ok so what are some very tell tale symptoms of high RBC and HCT?

Don't wait for symptoms. By then you can be hella high. Manage preventively.

[Couchlock]

Don't wait for symptoms. By then you can be hella high. Manage preventively.

How do you manage rbc and hct rise preventatively?

[Bio-Active]

How do you manage rbc and hct rise preventatively?

You need to donate blood

[hammerheart]

Hmm that's interesting.

I've only used short esters since the first cycle so I can't compare the two.

I think the strong binding affinity of masteron largely prevents it from reaching the tissues in the case of the enanthate esters, with the propionate being obviously more effective. I tried stacking mast-e on my TRT dose of test, wanted to use it as a mild anti-estrogen but all I got was even more of an estro surge, likely from the compound displacing even more Test from binding proteins. When the surge faded it felt good though.

[Bio-Active]

Hmm that's interesting.

I've only used short esters since the first cycle so I can't compare the two.

I wish i would have jumped into this thread sooner. Mast is one of my favorite compounds as when you lean enough it gives you that dense grainy look

[Bio-Active]

I think the strong binding affinity of masteron largely prevents it from reaching the tissues in the case of the enanthate esters, with the propionate being obviously more effective. I tried stacking mast-e on my TRT dose of test, wanted to use it as a mild anti-estrogen but all I got was even more of an estro surge, likely from the compound displacing even more Test from binding proteins. When the surge faded it felt good though.

How much Mast did you run and what was your BF?

[hammerheart]

DBOL has a very short half life, shorter than most other orals.
Some say 3,5h, but 5h is probably more accurate.

It does convert (aromatize) in a low degree to methyl estradiol.
A very powerful estrogen.

Is anything known about the t/2 of 7-alpha-methylestradiol?

What if I don't run any aromatizable compound, how much dbol would be needed to convert into enough methyl-E2 for functioning?

[hammerheart]

How much Mast did you run and what was your BF?

1:1 and TRT dose 100mg 2x weekly, bf is around 17% (currently dieting).

Was just an experiment btw.

[Bio-Active]

1:1 and TRT dose 100mg 2x weekly, bf is around 17% (currently dieting).

Was just an experiment btw.

Gotcha at that dose i doubt the mast was really doing much at all. The magic happens for me at around 600 mg ew and bf in the single digits

[PT1982]

You can mix oils all you like hell im taking a blend that is 200mg Test E and 200mg Tren E per ml. Sometimes you can find test/mast combos too.

Between you and me, that's actually a major benefit of brewing. I have been known to mix a test e/tren e/mast e TRT blend at 100/100/100. Pinned 1x weekly is perfect! I don't think it's wise to use this year round, but it's an easy mix that has benefits.

[PT1982]

I dunno man, ill run the var, press me some 20mg tabs for 50cents each, ill be glad to.lol

No var is worth 700 for 10 weeks, I'm sorry its not worth it.

I do like the boost in strength it gave me at 35mg for 28 days, I can only imagine what 60 Or 70 would do for 7 to 10 weeks.

But I'm sure, mast at 400 per week is damn near comparable.

Plus orals are boring. Some thing about injecting,makes me feel fancy and special. I liked it from the fist pin.call me sick, but I did. Its like "moohooheeheehaha, get in there, nice and deep special muscle sauce" any old joe can pop a tablet, it takes a special kind of fucked up and dedicated to drive a 23g needle 1.5" into you leg and inject some crazy ass grape seed oil in you leg.

So, back to the mast,perfectly fine I'm assuming to draw both my test and mast into same barrel and inject all at once 2x a week?

Var for 10 weeks is not necessary in my opinion. 6 weeks is fine as wine. As much add I do like anavar , I don't mess with orals much at all these days like I used to. Mast was first created to fight breast cancer, while var was created for cellular regeneration/replication. I do think that if my goals were to add lbm, as you're hoping to, var is superior because even in the medical field, it is used for that purpose. Say someone wanted to run an anavar only or a mast only cycle and was at 15% bodyfat. With the var, results are inevitable with proper nutrition/training. With mast, there isn't much going to happen. Low body fat is when mast shines, and it really really shines with low fat. Var is going to show physical results regardless. I get long winded, I just like talking this stuff.

[PT1982]

Gotcha at that dose i doubt the mast was really doing much at all. The magic happens for me at around 600 mg ew and bf in the single digits

Ditto. 600+ is the sweet spot for me as well. It took a while to figure that out due to how finicky it can be. At >10-12% I don't think mast is worth the effort, much less the money.