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    Blood geyser

    The last few times I did my IM injection in my thigh, when removing the 1.5" 25 gauge it's like a steady stream of blood that comes shooting out. Almost like the needle created a suction as it's drawn out, i'm not talking drip drip. If I didn't put a tissue over it as the needle comes out I swear it would shoot at least a foot. I do aspirate and get no blood drawn back up, so I can only assume I am nicking a blood vessel or two. This is the first time I have used 1.5" syringes, in the past it was 1".
    I guess my question would be am I loosing tren mixed in the blood as it comes out? If so enough to effect the cycle? Only doing 50mg EOD.

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    As long as you aspirated, you may have just nicked a vessel. Being that the thigh is a large muscle I would think it has a lot of blood flow. I never could inject my thighs. They were always a painful location for me.

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    You should be fine. After years of injections, I find that I bleed a lot more than I used to. And as long as your needles are, you shouldn't be losing your tren . There is no way I would use 1.5" needles anywhere on my body! Not because it's a bad idea, but because I'm a chicken with needles, lol.

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    If it shoots you are hitting an artery.

    Arterial blood is more bright red. Arteries tend to stay closer to the bone.

    Maybe its better to change location,huh?

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    Great arms by the way! Nice definition.

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    Happens from time to time I had it on my delts.

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    Thanks PT1982
    BB maybe I will go back to 1" for thighs. I like having more spots to rotate (shoulder, butt, thigh) and I find thighs to be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    Thanks PT1982
    BB maybe I will go back to 1" for thighs. I like having more spots to rotate (shoulder, butt, thigh) and I find thighs to be easy.
    I do tights on the upper side, where its thickest, near the hip. But really dont need 1,5'' for it.

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    Happens quite occasionally to me as well. You most likely pass through a vein.

    IMO no need for an 1.5" needle for your quad....1" will suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    The last few times I did my IM injection in my thigh, when removing the 1.5" 25 gauge it's like a steady stream of blood that comes shooting out. Almost like the needle created a suction as it's drawn out, i'm not talking drip drip. If I didn't put a tissue over it as the needle comes out I swear it would shoot at least a foot. I do aspirate and get no blood drawn back up, so I can only assume I am nicking a blood vessel or two. This is the first time I have used 1.5" syringes, in the past it was 1".
    I guess my question would be am I loosing tren mixed in the blood as it comes out? If so enough to effect the cycle? Only doing 50mg EOD.
    Looking good man, funny lately i have been noticing blood in my needles luer lock after I pull them out, which is strange because I dont asperate anymore. I am wondering how the hell it gets in the syringe...

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    Hey Rhoag.

    I often have this same issue when pinning quads, especially a day or two after leg day.

    Switching to a 1" 25g and Z-tracking should help solve your problem.

    Also, I doubt you're losing any oil and if you are its not enough to make any noticeable difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Hey Rhoag.

    I often have this same issue when pinning quads, especially a day or two after leg day.

    Switching to a 1" 25g and Z-tracking should help solve your problem.

    Also, I doubt you're losing any oil and if you are its not enough to make any noticeable difference.
    Yes! I totally forgot Z tracking. Good catch numbere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Looking good man, funny lately i have been noticing blood in my needles luer lock after I pull them out, which is strange because I dont asperate anymore. I am wondering how the hell it gets in the syringe...
    You don't aspirate ?! You rebel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    You don't aspirate?! You rebel!
    1-1/2 doesnt get my veins in me arse anywhere I stick it. Besides my barrels dont have any room left for aspiration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Hey Rhoag.

    I often have this same issue when pinning quads, especially a day or two after leg day.

    Switching to a 1" 25g and Z-tracking should help solve your problem.

    Also, I doubt you're losing any oil and if you are its not enough to make any noticeable difference.

    ^^^^this

    It's happened to me in my delts before. I use 1.5" sometimes but dont bury the needle all the way in.

    Try Bi's, Tri's and Chest..... least painful spots imo. Chest is easier than quads... I always had pain in the quads and glutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    1-1/2 doesnt get my veins in me arse anywhere I stick it. Besides my barrels dont have any room left for aspiration.
    Filled to the brim huh. My issue is if I went to a 5cc syringe I eventually would have the same problem....lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer View Post
    Filled to the brim huh. My issue is if I went to a 5cc syringe I eventually would have the same problem....lol.
    That for sure! I figure if one shot of 3.5 ml doesn't do the job then I better shoot another cheek because 5ml would be a big pocket! Sometimes I wonder how the hell I walk around with 3.5ml in my glute with no pain every 3.5 days. I think I have a little gear bladder in there or something.

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    Why the hell are you guys using so much gear lol. Most I pin is 2ml.... no need for more just yet. I mean.... I suppose if I intended to compete and go pro I would start going ham but i'm already 265 on far less than what I see a lot of people post about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Why the hell are you guys using so much gear lol. Most I pin is 2ml.... no need for more just yet. I mean.... I suppose if I intended to compete and go pro I would start going ham but i'm already 265 on far less than what I see a lot of people post about.
    I often use a 5ml syringe myself, but it's often when I run long esters. And I'll often brew at a low mg/ml. But I do think it could be fun doing as you described! Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    I often use a 5ml syringe myself, but it's often when I run long esters. And I'll often brew at a low mg/ml. But I do think it could be fun doing as you described! Lol
    I also use a 5ml syring but mostly because it's more stable when injecting. Don't get me wrong.... i'd had 3ml injections in my delts before but i've never gone above 3ml in one site. I don't really see a need to.... If I ever had to shoot 4ml in one day i'd split it up. I don't use my glutes or quads so that leaves me with 8 sites. chest, bi's, tris, delts and I can comfortably fit 2ml in each for a grand total of 16ml in a week if I ever needed that much lol. Repeated 3.5ml injections so close to eachother is asking for an abcess. I just wouldn't risk it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    I also use a 5ml syring but mostly because it's more stable when injecting. Don't get me wrong.... i'd had 3ml injections in my delts before but i've never gone above 3ml in one site. I don't really see a need to.... If I ever had to shoot 4ml in one day i'd split it up. I don't use my glutes or quads so that leaves me with 8 sites. chest, bi's, tris, delts and I can comfortably fit 2ml in each for a grand total of 16ml in a week if I ever needed that much lol. Repeated 3.5ml injections so close to eachother is asking for an abcess. I just wouldn't risk it.
    The gear I am using has treated me very well. No pip, I have put a lot in my glutes. Lucky boy I guess. Delts would be the only other site I would consider. Cannot shoot quads the are too gritty and painful. Crippled myself for two months on calves. Running tren deca and test c in same syringe ml's add up quick. My next cycle will be less test and more deca and prob about the same cc's or a little less.

    Run test at 300, deca at 800 prob.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    The gear I am using has treated me very well. No pip, I have put a lot in my glutes. Lucky boy I guess. Delts would be the only other site I would consider. Cannot shoot quads the are too gritty and painful. Crippled myself for two months on calves. Running tren deca and test c in same syringe ml's add up quick. My next cycle will be less test and more deca and prob about the same cc's or a little less.

    Run test at 300, deca at 800 prob.
    I've found that my body responds extremely well to test. Ideally I would run 1000mg test with 600 tren or 600 npp. I havnt touched Deca since I was 19 or 20.

    More often than not i'll run high test by itself with nothing else... maybe an Oral. 19nors are extraordinarily harsh on HDL. I would try to limit them to 8-10 weeks through the years. Anadrol works especially well for me with mild water retention. High test with a decent Drol dosage and I respond really well. The longer I've been doing this the more I've come to learn that heavy short cycles are better than long 12+ week cycles with long periods in between. I've got Marcus to credit for that also.
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    To put high volume in a single location can increase half life of compounds.

    Half life are usually calculated on a small volume injected, if you put over 2ml it is likely the depot will sit in muscle a longer time. Look a nebido half life, its a mess to look at if you look at previous calculated undecanoate esters, but you put 4ml depot and it lasts longer.

    I believe deca will act similarly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    Why the hell are you guys using so much gear lol. Most I pin is 2ml.... no need for more just yet. I mean.... I suppose if I intended to compete and go pro I would start going ham but i'm already 265 on far less than what I see a lot of people post about.
    Lol....I don't. I never go more than 3cc s. Its just I now my attitude and I can get greedy at times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazard View Post
    I've found that my body responds extremely well to test. Ideally I would run 1000mg test with 600 tren or 600 npp. I havnt touched Deca since I was 19 or 20.

    More often than not i'll run high test by itself with nothing else... maybe an Oral. 19nors are extraordinarily harsh on HDL. I would try to limit them to 8-10 weeks through the years. Anadrol works especially well for me with mild water retention. High test with a decent Drol dosage and I respond really well. The longer I've been doing this the more I've come to learn that heavy short cycles are better than long 12+ week cycles with long periods in between. I've got Marcus to credit for that also.
    I have read a lot of his stuff on the subject. I agree too! Eight weeks my gains are done. I have been running 12 to get the most out of the deca but after hearing about npp I may try it. It seems so much wiser to run 8 weeks and have shorter breaks between. I will be off 3-4 months and its terrible. Not just for maitenance sake but I literally use gear as a life tool. I work better and feel better and stay calmer (excluding tren). I can see myself running on two months and off two months much more efficiently. Especially considering the gear doesnnt take hold immediately and HIT lasts six weeks before I need a break. Marcus has definitely developed a science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    To put high volume in a single location can increase half life of compounds.

    Half life are usually calculated on a small volume injected, if you put over 2ml it is likely the depot will sit in muscle a longer time. Look a nebido half life, its a mess to look at if you look at previous calculated undecanoate esters, but you put 4ml depot and it lasts longer.

    I believe deca will act similarly.
    ^^^ yup!
    I can attest to this with bloodwork.
    But it is quite handy if you have to load up for a time where you'll be away from gear but have good routine on training and diet.

    Remember I had some 25mg/ml test e amps (with 50mg Vit E as well, it was HG Pharma a gear) and that meant a lot of oil yes.
    10ml for 250mg. On the plus side I got a ton of vitamin E injected as well though. Would have been perfect gear for diluting though.

    F.ex: test prop 100mg and tren ace 150mg pr ml,
    If I had thrown in 3mls of this test/Vit e oil it might have been more stable/longer acting so that 2 injects a week would have provided stable levels (somewhat at least)
    But I digress.

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    1.5" needle for a thigh?> maybe try a 1" I do 1" for thighs and glutes zero problems

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    Also just cuzz a needle is 1.5" doesn't mean you need to bury the whole thing in there, go as deep as you need,

    What if it come detached from the leurlok base, it would be nice to have a .5" sticking out to pull,the broke needle out...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchlockd View Post
    Also just cuzz a needle is 1.5" doesn't mean you need to bury the whole thing in there, go as deep as you need,

    What if it come detached from the leurlok base, it would be nice to have a .5" sticking out to pull,the broke needle out...
    Oh damn that would suck

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    Man after reading all the above posts I am glad that I can achieve my body building goals with just .5 of a cc of tren every other day and .4 cc test cyp subq every 3.5 days. 1cc syringe does the job just fine!!!! But, I will be 56 in July (damn 4 years to 60) so my goals are a bit different then some others!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    Man after reading all the above posts I am glad that I can achieve my body building goals with just .5 of a cc of tren every other day and .4 cc test cyp subq every 3.5 days. 1cc syringe does the job just fine!!!! But, I will be 56 in July (damn 4 years to 60) so my goals are a bit different then some others!
    You're 56?!?!?! Fuck i hope i look like you at 56 man i mean seriously whatever you're doing to look that good at your age keep it up cause its working like a motherfucker haha

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    I have been working out most of my life, few bad years raising kids and bettering my financial situation. Total testosterone was at 299 about 5 years ago, so I started HRT. I started a cycling 2 years ago and have done 4 cycles (test only, test tren , test tren and test deca ). Two cycles a year am on one now. Eat clean and workout. My one vise is I drink to much whiskey. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    I have been working out most of my life, few bad years raising kids and bettering my financial situation. Total testosterone was at 299 about 5 years ago, so I started HRT. I started a cycling 2 years ago and have done 4 cycles (test only, test tren, test tren and test deca). Two cycles a year am on one now. Eat clean and workout. My one vise is I drink to much whiskey. LOL
    Life happens and we all have our vises but man if your able to maintain and or build with life happening around you and manage to look like that I'd say you're doing a great job especially in your 50's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Cabeza View Post
    Life happens and we all have our vises but man if your able to maintain and or build with life happening around you and manage to look like that I'd say you're doing a great job especially in your 50's.
    X2 on that!

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    Thanks guys appreciate the compliment! Now where are all the hot 40ish women! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    Thanks guys appreciate the compliment! Now where are all the hot 40ish women! LOL
    At work

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    Man after reading all the above posts I am glad that I can achieve my body building goals with just .5 of a cc of tren every other day and .4 cc test cyp subq every 3.5 days. 1cc syringe does the job just fine!!!! But, I will be 56 in July (damn 4 years to 60) so my goals are a bit different then some others!
    Lookin' pretty trim at 56. Thats awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhoag View Post
    Thanks guys appreciate the compliment! Now where are all the hot 40ish women! LOL
    Take a pilates or zumba class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01dragonslayer View Post
    Take a pilates or zumba class.
    Lmao! Smart man! He has to have done it before, thats just too brilliant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke View Post
    Lmao! Smart man! He has to have done it before, thats just too brilliant

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