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    So I've got 2 complete cycles under belt, first cycle was 500mg a week of Test C, and second was 500mg a week of Test E. Never used any AI's, only PCT, which was Clomid and Nolvadex . Both cycles were 12 weeks and went good with no problems at all with nice gains, only thing I can say is I personally prefer Test C over E.

    With all that being said I'm going to go a different route on my 3 cycle. I've got 20ml of Deca 300 and 20ml of Sustanon 350. I'll also be using an AI this cycle which will be Aromasin , and PCT will be the same with Clomid and Nolvadex. I've got my cycle pretty much all planned out but I'd like to get others opinions who have far more experience than me. I like to keep things simple so here it is:

    Weeks 1-8:
    Sustanon 350mg twice a week (Monday/Thursday)
    Deca 300mg twice a week (Monday/Thursday)
    Aromasin 12mg EOD (Increase on judgment)
    Weeks 9-10:
    Sustanon 350mg twice a week (Monday/Thursday)
    Week 11:
    Aromasin 12mg EOD
    Week 12:
    Aromasin 12mg ED
    Weeks 13-16:
    Clomid 50/50/25/25 or 100/50/50/25
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
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    Your stats would be helpful.

    If you didn't use an AI during your last cycles then I'm assuming you didn't have mid cycle blood work either.

    Have your had post cycle blood work since ending your last cycle?
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    Listen to numbere. You seriously need to get some BW first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Your stats would be helpful.

    If you didn't use an AI during your last cycles then I'm assuming you didn't have mid cycle blood work either.

    Have your had post cycle blood work since ending your last cycle?
    No blood work was done besides my yearly wellness check. Which came back all clear. I'm scheduled for blood panel in 3 weeks.

    Stats are
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    Don't get discouraged on this cycle cause your weight won't go up as much it did on the last cycle since Since your running the AI you won't get as much water retention. And I would get some caber since you are running deca .


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    You don't need 700mg test on your 2nd cycle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    No blood work was done besides my yearly wellness check. Which came back all clear. I'm scheduled for blood panel in 3 weeks.

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    Thanks for the stats.

    When you say blood panel what will be tested?

    You need a comprehensive hormone panel.

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    8 weeks of deca is useless, it only really starts to shine by 7-8 week.

    Stick to test if you had good results and want to recover through PCT.

    Add an oral, probably much less stress on your HPTA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post

    Thanks for the stats.

    When you say blood panel what will be tested?

    You need a comprehensive hormone panel.
    That's exactly the panel I've got scheduled. I wanted to make sure everything was in check before doing a stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    8 weeks of deca is useless, it only really starts to shine by 7-8 week.

    Stick to test if you had good results and want to recover through PCT.

    Add an oral, probably much less stress on your HPTA.
    Like dbol for 6 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by songdog View Post
    You don't need 700mg test on your 2nd cycle!
    This will be my third cycle, but first stacked cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    Like dbol for 6 weeks?
    Or winstrol or anavar .

    But better to do it for 4 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post

    Or winstrol or anavar .

    But better to do it for 4 weeks.
    I could probably lower the doses of the Deca and Sus slightly and make it to 12 weeks.

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    You don't have enough deca to pin 300mgs 2x weekly. Not for any real benefits you'll receive from a deca ester anyways. I would pin 300mgs weekly. One pin or 2. That's your call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PT1982 View Post
    You don't have enough deca to pin 300mgs 2x weekly. Not for any real benefits you'll receive from a deca ester anyways. I would pin 300mgs weekly. One pin or 2. That's your call.
    So maybe something like 500 sust, and 300 deca a week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    So maybe something like 500 sust, and 300 deca a week?
    Or 500mg test and 400mg deca

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    So maybe something like 500 sust, and 300 deca a week?
    One of the most important aspects of cycling is learning​ how to control your e2 by an AI and blood work.

    This becomes even more important when experimenting with 19 nors like deca because if your e2 gets elevated you will likely have prolactin issues.

    The smart thing for you to do would be to run a test only cycle along with an AI, hcg and have mid cycle labs that contain a sensitive estradiol assay.

    As BB stated above if you want to get fancy then add an oral and preferably one that doesn't aromatize.
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    Deca needs to be ran like 14 weeks to get the most out of it.
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    how did you not use an ai on 500 mg a week? I though you basically had to or you will convert a lot of that test into estrogen. Might be a dumb question

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    So maybe something like 500 sust, and 300 deca a week?
    300mgs of deca is a solid dose and in my opinion you'll get more out of it because you'll be running it longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRexMoore View Post
    how did you not use an ai on 500 mg a week? I though you basically had to or you will convert a lot of that test into estrogen. Might be a dumb question
    Everyone's different, it was a 10 week cycle, I'm just not as susceptible to elevated E2 problems as others are. It's all about how you feel and blood work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    ...I'm just not as susceptible to elevated E2 problems as others are.
    Without mid cycle blood work this is a false statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post

    Without mid cycle blood work this is a false statement.
    What I meant by that was, I didn't have any symptoms or signs that would indicate I had high E2 levels. If I must clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AS84 View Post
    What I meant by that was, I didn't have any symptoms or signs that would indicate I had high E2 levels. If I must clarify.
    I know what you meant and I hope I don't come across as being rude for stretching this out.

    I feel this is an important point that most newcomers to AS overlook.

    The worst side effects from elevated e2 are not felt until too late because they are cardiovascular system.
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