How many have cycled 6+ times and still recover no TRT

[Kyle1337]

I am curious to see how many people have successfully cycled 6+ times and if you've actually been able to recover and not do TRT. I've cycled a couple times and each time I see a small decline in my test (already low before at 330). I understand everyone responds different, but how many people make it this far and recover? Do you regret cycling this much? Would it of been better to just do TRT instead of cycle, recover (feel like complete SHIT for weeks) and then repeat? Or do you enjoy the cycle in hopes you may never need TRT? I hate this recovery feeling. It's brutal. But, being on cycle I have never felt better about everything; gym, work, energy, life, etc... just feels great. I certainly don't want to ever do TRT if I don't need to, however it seems cycling we are destined for it anyway due to the nature of AAS.

[Chicagotarsier]

I am curious to see how many people have successfully cycled 6+ times and if you've actually been able to recover and not do TRT. I've cycled a couple times and each time I see a small decline in my test (already low before at 330). I understand everyone responds different, but how many people make it this far and recover? Do you regret cycling this much? Would it of been better to just do TRT instead of cycle, recover (feel like complete SHIT for weeks) and then repeat? Or do you enjoy the cycle in hopes you may never need TRT? I hate this recovery feeling. It's brutal. But, being on cycle I have never felt better about everything; gym, work, energy, life, etc... just feels great. I certainly don't want to ever do TRT if I don't need to, however it seems cycling we are destined for it anyway due to the nature of AAS.

I am not sure what people will admit to but if you have cycled 6 times you should be near your genetic potential. That means they are cruising between cycles. I have actually never met anyone on AAS that is serious that doesnt cruise.

[Obs]

I am not sure what people will admit to but if you have cycled 6 times you should be near your genetic potential. That means they are cruising between cycles. I have actually never met anyone on AAS that is serious that doesnt cruise.

Bold statement. This is my next stop. I wonder why I didnt do this when I was 23 after I fucked up my natural test at 22 by cycling wrong and too young.

Still a very bold statement and I will agree.

[Kyle1337]

I am not sure what people will admit to but if you have cycled 6 times you should be near your genetic potential. That means they are cruising between cycles. I have actually never met anyone on AAS that is serious that doesnt cruise.

I guess what I'm getting from you, is that if you're gonna do AAS... do it full blown?

If not, well I guess I don't know why people would have a problem admitting they have cycled and recover? Care to explain more?

[Kyle1337]

Bold statement. This is my next stop. I wonder why I didnt do this when I was 23 after I fucked up my natural test at 22 by cycling wrong and too young.

Still a very bold statement and I will agree.

Did just one cycle mess up your test? Did you do bloodwork to show that? what were your levels?

[Obs]

Did just one cycle mess up your test? Did you do bloodwork to show that? what were your levels?

I ran six monts straigh no hcg or ai. My pct was clomid and nolvadex whenever I felt like taking them for two weeks.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Cant say i noticed anything after 6 cycles.
Never did pct, hcg or BW.
But sticked to max 8 weeks and never more than 500 mg and a little dbol sometimes.

[Strongblood]

Good point Sil. I think a lot of it depends on how much gear a person uses and for how long with or without ancillaries. I think a healthy male can cycle responsibility and maintain a healthy HPTA. It does suck coming off though.

[Kyle1337]

Cant say i noticed anything after 6 cycles.
Never did pct, hcg or BW.
But sticked to max 8 weeks and never more than 500 mg and a little dbol sometimes.

What do you mean by you didn't notice anything after 6 cycles?

Good point Sil. I think a lot of it depends on how much gear a person uses and for how long with or without ancillaries. I think a healthy male can cycle responsibility and maintain a healthy HPTA. It does suck coming off though.

I always run the ancillaries, hcg, pharmacy pct, liver support, etc. Haven't abused the drugs either 500mg is plenty and haven't done more than 1 compound + test. I am in my recovery of my 3rd cycle and like every time I just ask myself why bother coming off and not just do TRT if I'm gonna be destined for it anyway by doing Aas, even if it's following all the protocols. I always lose an immediate 10# when I come off or more within a week. And no my diet stays consistent. My workouts aren't as intense, but my appetite always remains. I just know doing trt is serious and forever, but I hate losing everything I worked for while on cycle... At least with trt I'd feel good when cruising and will hardly notice much of a change in weight. (based on what I've read from people who cycle and are on trt).

[Kyle1337]

Can't edit my post, damn phone. Anyway, at what point do you just make the final decision into trt? At what test levels or is it something else that's an indication?

[AR's King Silabolin]

What do you mean by you didn't notice anything after 6 cycles?



I always run the ancillaries, hcg, pharmacy pct, liver support, etc. Haven't abused the drugs either 500mg is plenty and haven't done more than 1 compound + test. I am in my recovery of my 3rd cycle and like every time I just ask myself why bother coming off and not just do TRT if I'm gonna be destined for it anyway by doing Aas, even if it's following all the protocols. I always lose an immediate 10# when I come off or more within a week. And no my diet stays consistent. My workouts aren't as intense, but my appetite always remains. I just know doing trt is serious and forever, but I hate losing everything I worked for while on cycle... At least with trt I'd feel good when cruising and will hardly notice much of a change in weight. (based on what I've read from people who cycle and are on trt).

Meant, beetween cycle 6 and 7 i do not remember i had any libidoproblemes, tiredness, depression or other low test symptoms. After 6 weeks i started to gain in the gym again also.

[PT1982]

Cant say i noticed anything after 6 cycles.
Never did pct, hcg or BW.
But sticked to max 8 weeks and never more than 500 mg and a little dbol sometimes.

So basically your comment has no use here, as we dont go by "feeling" and blood work is the only actual way to know.

[PT1982]

Can't edit my post, damn phone. Anyway, at what point do you just make the final decision into trt? At what test levels or is it something else that's an indication?

When your doctor says it's time.

[Kyle1337]

When your doctor says it's time.

Well, I don't use a Dr or this kind of activity as I am in the USA.

I'm surprised at how little responses, maybe people just aren't seeing it, maybe everyone that uses AAS just does TRT because it sucks dick coming off and gains are immediately lost? I dunno. I am just trying to gain a better perspective on the situation.

[AR's King Silabolin]

So basically your comment has no use here, as we dont go by "feeling" and blood work is the only actual way to know.

hehe, kelkel, mrBB, docT...heard that?...here is a PT who, despite from not nowing the difference beetween RBC and hct and the basic prinsippials for HIT also asks dudes to shut up and smile when having a bad period after cycle, cause total test and e2 is already good. It says so in BW.....lol

Always liked PTs. Reminds me how a really screwed this world really is.

[Kyle1337]

hehe, kelkel, mrBB, docT...heard that?...here is a PT who, despite from not nowing the difference beetween RBC and hct and the basic prinsippials for HIT also asks dudes to shut up and smile when having a bad period after cycle, cause total test and e2 is already good. It says so in BW.....lol

Always liked PTs. Reminds me how a really screwed this world really is.

Sil, why did you go with TRT? Did you damage yourself from cycling and jumped on it, or just had an injury or something that attributed to low test?

[Strongblood]

Hi Kyle. To maybe give you a better answer regarding TRT. I could never recommend that someone with a normal HPTA start TRT so they could better control Testosterone levels and not have to endure PCT and possibly lose some muscle mass. I will say that I can totally understand how a person could come to the decision to use TRT for that reason alone. It's a bitch to lose such hard earned muscle mass. Some people I think lose mass because they slack up on workouts, and diet just because their not on anything.
TRT is a wonderful treatment for men that cannot produce enough of their own Testosterone to sustain a normal life. It's been a life saver for me.
Also, I would not settle for low normal Test levels if I didn't feel good and was having problems sustaining a normal sex life. Life is too short and quality of life is too important to me.

[kelkel]

I am curious to see how many people have successfully cycled 6+ times and if you've actually been able to recover and not do TRT. I've cycled a couple times and each time I see a small decline in my test (already low before at 330). I understand everyone responds different, but how many people make it this far and recover? Do you regret cycling this much? Would it of been better to just do TRT instead of cycle, recover (feel like complete SHIT for weeks) and then repeat? Or do you enjoy the cycle in hopes you may never need TRT? I hate this recovery feeling. It's brutal. But, being on cycle I have never felt better about everything; gym, work, energy, life, etc... just feels great. I certainly don't want to ever do TRT if I don't need to, however it seems cycling we are destined for it anyway due to the nature of AAS.

You already have low T assuming a normal Labcorp range of 348 - 1197. Which is part of why it's harder to hold on to gains post cycle. I'd suggest trying to find out why you're low and correct it. Or if it's age or ASIH related then it's time for TRT anyway. Imagine how you'd feel if your T levels were optimized! At the top of the range instead of the bottom. Food for thought.

[Dontworryaboutit]

Geez this is scary, so glad I didn't start yet.