HCG help

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 06:53 PM

hey guys, I'm in week 5 of a 16 week test/eq cycle and tracking information says my hcg is finally going to arrive tomorrow.
I ordered 2 box of oraganon pregnyl 5000 iu and am wondering what kind of protocol I should start with. I started this cycle because I was borderline low t for my age and my doctor said that it was in range and perfectly normal despite a 400 total t. He didn't order much bloodwork and was kind of annoyed by me wondering about my t levels at my age. I'm 28 btw. So not feeling good/myself, I ordered some gear from my local guy. Some solberg cypionate , and EQ. I have ran cycles a few years back with no hcg and barely a pct, I know stupid, but here we are. So please only useful advice. Should I be more aggressive with the hcg since I'm sure I have some testicular atrophy built up and then cut back or what. I have gathered that 500iu a week is pretty standard but also kind of low end maybe... so any advice would be great.

weeks 1-16 400mg test cypionate monday morning, thursday evening
weeks 1-16 500mg Eq monday morning, thursday evening
I have 1 mg arimidex tabs on hand as well as a 4 week nolva and clomid pct but am prob going to add to that and run a power pct for 6 weeks. I have not been using the dex yet, I've also read that the HCG could or could not spike E2 so maybe throw in 0.25 mg 2-3 times per week?

Alright guys, what ya got for me?

**charger69** · 08-09-2017, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

hey guys, I'm in week 5 of a 16 week test/eq cycle and tracking information says my hcg is finally going to arrive tomorrow.
I ordered 2 box of oraganon pregnyl 5000 iu and am wondering what kind of protocol I should start with. I started this cycle because I was borderline low t for my age and my doctor said that it was in range and perfectly normal despite a 400 total t. He didn't order much bloodwork and was kind of annoyed by me wondering about my t levels at my age. I'm 28 btw. So not feeling good/myself, I ordered some gear from my local guy. Some solberg cypionate , and EQ. I have ran cycles a few years back with no hcg and barely a pct, I know stupid, but here we are. So please only useful advice. Should I be more aggressive with the hcg since I'm sure I have some testicular atrophy built up and then cut back or what. I have gathered that 500iu a week is pretty standard but also kind of low end maybe... so any advice would be great.

weeks 1-16 400mg test cypionate monday morning, thursday evening
weeks 1-16 500mg Eq monday morning, thursday evening
I have 1 mg arimidex tabs on hand as well as a 4 week nolva and clomid pct but am prob going to add to that and run a power pct for 6 weeks. I have not been using the dex yet, I've also read that the HCG could or could not spike E2 so maybe throw in 0.25 mg 2-3 times per week?

Alright guys, what ya got for me?

The baseline is 250 2x wk of HCG. You really just want to keep the fellas working. You do not want to take too much and desensitize them.
You do not "throw in" arimdex. You should start taking .25 eod independent of the cycle. Midway through, you check out you bw and adjust accordingly. Arimidex is prevention and should be taken as such.

**kelkel** · 08-09-2017, 07:49 PM

My god man, take your adex now and continue up to pct.
Do the same with your HCG . You've got no worries with spiking E2 with HCG. Your levels are currently through the roof already.

**Obs** · 08-09-2017, 07:57 PM

Just my opinion, when your hcg gets in, shoot 1000iuthe first two times.
I am speaking from how my body reacts to it though.
I have cycled withand without it and have noticed atrophy before. It took a long time for my guys to come back last time.
I no longer feel comfortable with 500iu a week. I feel more is necessary to be safe but I am a paranoid feller.

Next time run hcg start to finish and never skip a dose.
Get that estrogen in check my friend.
Good luck

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:17 PM

What is standard for the dex? .25 eod or twice a week? I know with the 48 hour half it should be taken eod, am I right?

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:20 PM

will start with 500 iu for a few weeks and if I notice no difference in size maybe bump to 250 iu 3 times per week? Also is hcg timing important relative to the testosterone ? Should it be shot day of, or day before?

**Obs** · 08-09-2017, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

What is standard for the dex? .25 eod or twice a week? I know with the 48 hour half it should be taken eod, am I right?

Yes. I do twice a week though. With bloods you can guage what it takes, everyone is a little different.

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:25 PM

How''s this then?
Monday and thursday 400mg test c/500 mg eq
Sunday and Wednesday 250 iu HCG /
Tuesday and Friday 0.25 mg dex

**Obs** · 08-09-2017, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

will start with 500 iu for a few weeks and if I notice no difference in size maybe bump to 250 iu 3 times per week? Also is hcg timing important relative to the testosterone? Should it be shot day of, or day before?

I shoot mine same day. For a cycle I am sure 250iu every 3.5 days will get you by fine. My idea with the 1000iu shots at first was simply to give your boys a chance to catch up because I am sure they have atrophied a little.

I may be totally rong in doing so but I would do it just to be safe.
When i skip a dose my balls tell me. I feel on a heavy cycle 500iu a week is not enough. I realize hcg only mimics a lh function but i swear 500iu is bare minimum for me. Any less and my balls would disappear.

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:30 PM

that may be a good idea to do OB.. they are def atrophied.

**kelkel** · 08-09-2017, 08:31 PM

Run your AI at least three days per week.

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Run your AI at least three days per week.

Will do Kelkel.. is 0.25 good?

**NACH3** · 08-09-2017, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

Will do Kelkel.. is 0.25 good?

Sorry to say but OP - you should know this b4 even considering administering exogenous testosterone to your body.... with that said I hope you listen to your fellow board members especially KelKel on what protocols to use!

What's your pct look like and what ancillaries are you taking - clinic and nolvadex (tamoxifen ) I hope!

Reads this

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**jl39** · 08-09-2017, 08:52 PM

week 1 100 mg clomid 40 mg nolva
week 2-6 50 mg clomid 20 mg nolva

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 08:45 AM

just got news my slin pins will not be here until monday but was looking forward to taking my hcg today. can you use a 25g 1 inch for this injection sub q and just not go in the full amount? will it be painful and not ideal?

**kelkel** · 08-10-2017, 08:53 AM

Just put it in with your next test shot until the pins arrive if you like. It all works.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 09:03 AM

oh, I read you shouldn't do this because it will do something to the hcg mixing it with the oil.. Hmm

**kelkel** · 08-10-2017, 09:05 AM

Negative. It all gets absorbed and works just fine.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Negative. It all gets absorbed and works just fine.

sounds good will give it a go

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 01:49 PM

Ok so here it is in my mail box, 2 amps 1 of solution (which I now know is not going to be enough) and 1 of the HCG .. So how do I store this since it is in amps and not a vial. I know it needs to be cold once mixed.

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 08-10-2017, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

Ok so here it is in my mail box, 2 amps 1 of solution (which I now know is not going to be enough) and 1 of the HCG.. So how do I store this since it is in amps and not a vial. I know it needs to be cold once mixed.

You need to get a sterile vial.
You need to buy bacteriostatic water.
The amp which contains a liquid is filled with sodium chloride water which is only suitable for one time use.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by The Deadlifting Dog

You need to get a sterile vial.
You need to buy bacteriostatic water.
The amp which contains a liquid is filled with sodium chloride water which is only suitable for one time use.

Ah, damn it. More waiting, just order a presealed sterile vial and some Bacteriostatic water?

**The Deadlifting Dog** · 08-10-2017, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

Ah, damn it. More waiting, just order a presealed sterile vial and some Bacteriostatic water?

yes.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 04:16 PM

So now when my bacteriostatic water and sterile vial arrive, I will break the amp open, shoot 2 or 3 mL of BA water into the amp, swirl, and then draw it all up and relocate it into the sterile vial? Trying to make sure I get the process right because I don't want to waste it and mix it wrong.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 04:29 PM

Also my HCG is pregnyl.. should I test it to make sure it is good?

**Obs** · 08-10-2017, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

Also my HCG is pregnyl.. should I test it to make sure it is good?

It only costs two bucks.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke

It only costs two bucks.

what costs 2 bucks? to test it?

**Obs** · 08-10-2017, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

what costs 2 bucks? to test it?

Yes. Pregnancy test. I have bought a lot of those for their intended purpose and for testing hcg .

I still get a knot in my stomach looking at them testing hcg.

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Obspowerstroke

Yes. Pregnancy test. I have bought a lot of those for their intended purpose and for testing hcg .

I still get a knot in my stomach looking at them testing hcg.

you're a funny guy OB.. as far as mixing it and getting it into the vial? does that sound right?

**kelkel** · 08-10-2017, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

you're a funny guy OB..

Please don't encourage him....

**jl39** · 08-10-2017, 07:54 PM

how much do you squirt on the pregnancy test?

**Obs** · 08-10-2017, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by jl39

how much do you squirt on the pregnancy test?

I use 1 ml of Bacteriostatic water squirt it in my empty amp and just the residue in the amp should make you pregnant

So, you break the top off an amp, draw 2ml of bac water into a syringe, then squirt some into the amp from the syringe and mix it until it is perfectly clear, ( i mix it by purging it back and forth into the syringe) then draw it back up into the syringe entirely and shoot it into a sterile vial and put in the refrigerator.

Now take your amp which is empty and shoot 1 ml of bacwater into it and draw it back up and shoot it onto the preg test poofy tampony thing.
It may take a couple minutes but it should test positive merely from the residue in the vial.

**Obs** · 08-10-2017, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Please don't encourage him....

Its too late.

**jl39** · 08-12-2017, 05:40 PM

added in that arimidex and I was down 8lbs from yesterday when I stepped on the scale today? is that just losing water retention and a sign that the dex is good? also got in bed with the lady and covered her afterwards. Hadn't gotten off like that in a very long time...

**jl39** · 08-12-2017, 05:49 PM

I took .5 the first dose 2 days ago, and then .25 today

**jl39** · 08-14-2017, 12:35 PM

Ok my bac water and sterile vial are here.. I just want to walk through this one more time so I don't screw it up. No slin pins yet so I'm going to break the amp open, pull 2 or 3 ml of Bac water? Squirt into amp, swirl, then draw all contents out with my 25 ga needle and inject into sterile vial? Is this correct. Sorry for the newbieness