I've been reading more and more online about people switching from Testosterone to Deca for TRT.
Supposedly there is less side effects with Deca.
Curious if anyone has made the switch?
And are people For or Against switching to Deca?
Thanks!!
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I've been reading more and more online about people switching from Testosterone to Deca for TRT.
Supposedly there is less side effects with Deca.
Curious if anyone has made the switch?
And are people For or Against switching to Deca?
Thanks!!
Deca has a different androgenic profile. Testosterone is used because it is "bio-identical," i.e. it does the same thing as the testosterone our bodies makes. Deca is a "synthetic," it doesn't do the same thing as testosterone. In fact, it is a progesterone.
-Next time please post TRT questions in the TRT sub-forum.
How many of these deca only threads are we gonna get?
1 is too many. Where do people come up with this?
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I don't think it's from the vets, it has to be coming from the younger guys...Quote:
Originally Posted by charger69
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This is how the internet gets people hurt.
I'll throw a wrench. Deca has not been studied at all regarding TRT, but Tren actually has. Imagine that.
Brb switching to tren for trtQuote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
It's being promoted by a few people in a Facebook Group called Enhanced Athlete.
Was just curious.
Yea. They are king of broscience and high dose cycles. Not good for real info maybe good for entertainment value...Quote:
Originally Posted by jwh7699
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I could tell you everything you wanted to know and more about Deca only or Tren only cycles. But really I only need to say two things. Every bodies body reacts different to drugs. Data is based off of a bell curve of expected side effects for a given number of people. 30% of individuals fall out side that curve and experience one or fewer sides and 50% of people total experience one or more side. You never know where you would fall in the side effects percentage until you do something.
Secondly, high dosages increase the chance of falling within the curve and also you experience a diminished returned for increase in drug use. Law of diminished returns. For most people that's well under 1000mg total of any AAS compound.
In other words be smart with your personal drug usage and trust someone else's experience about as much as you would trust the first fart after 3 days of diarrhea.
Did it drop your test level to zero? What did your prolactin levels look like?
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Originally Posted by MuscleScience
It's always math. Except for the fart analogy but who's counting.
I have not used Deca before, but I did add Tren to my TRT protocol once. I did 50mg of Tren Acetate with Test C 70mg 2 x a week.
I had to stop at the three week mark because I was so winded all the time, wasn't sleeping well and joint pains.
I tend to fall into the more side effects range. Or with peptides very minimal results.
I know everyone is different, but when I see someone post that they are taking 200mg+ of Tren I get a little envious then a little sick to my stomach because I know the side effects I experienced.
Facebook you say? Root of your problem....
Watched their stuff regarding deca only on youtube.Quote:
Originally Posted by jwh7699
They all commented massive libido increase and gyno.
Turns out they were unintentionly injecting test for weeks lol.
Total t was through yhe roof at the end bloodwork.
Was worth a shot though...
Well deca can interact with some T blood assays.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollowedzeus
Gyno from deca alone also is a possibility.
I'm actually doing that but it's not working like it should.Quote:
Originally Posted by geezuschrist
I believe they tested the gear. Not 100% though.Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
Didnt realise it could show increased test however.
Silly thing to run it seems to me. Body needs testosterone, it doesnt need deca.
Its like replacing blood with jet fuel. Not really but kind of (not really)
Yes i know. Thats what i said.Quote:
Originally Posted by john13
I never said it was trt. I mentioned that i watched enhanced athletes video when someone else brought it up.
What type of dose and pattern Biz?Quote:
Originally Posted by bizzarro
I'm pretty much married to Deca at this stage, but as Kelkel said, not studied. Furthermore; while I use it regularly alongside TRT, I don't recommend it unless you have a plethora of experience and actually know what you're using it for. As for replacing test, I don't believe that will ever come to fruition.
Sorry for HJ'ing the post.Quote:
Originally Posted by austinite
But what do you personally use it for alongside your TRT. Joint care?
40mg Tren-E with 20mg Test EOD.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
I have noticed that on very low Test (50mg weekly) I'd feel much better physically but the irritability is unbearable, and brain feels grossly out of focus. That's where my dick feels like falling off, if you recall.
Upping the T might solve that but I would also feel more mellowed and demotivated, muscle conditioning is lost, the higher the dosage the weaker and flatter I feel.
My interpretation is my functioning is dependent from some fine balance in DHT and E2, so that's my goal to reach. I will lower the Tren (20mg EOD), up the Test to average TRT (100-125 weekly) and introduce a micro-dose of anastrozole daily dissolved in alcohol (can't stand the sides from regular dosing), and see if things better.
Had a nice experience with Tren previously but again the increased %bf I gained this year must have ruined everything. Tren might make a nice addiction, but good overall endocrine balance has to be present already.
Do you track your numbers for dht and e2? Makes me curious as I've yet to feel a difference between high or low dht and your "balance" comment is interesting. Currently my dht is at 22 (30-80) while on Fina (full time now) while running a low dose cycle of 400 T and 250 D. I was very curious how effective the Fina would be on an above TRT dose. I've read it's been tested up to 600 mgs T. I now know for sure it's quite effective on an elevated dose.
But kel you yourself said you didn't feel that much different even with total T below 100 lol.
BTW, it was just a guess of mine based on empirical evidence and personal experience. I believe the issue to be more intracellular with key-areas such as the brain lacking enough 5-AR for some reason. If that is the problem, then it would be hard for circulating DHT to reach target tissues and receptors, because of strong affinity with binding proteins. I had the high SHBG addressed. Now, what I need is to have enough circulating DHT, without building up excessive E2, and AI seems a necessary requirement at this point, but I always got nasty sides I hope I can avoid with daily micro-dosing.
Other areas displaying the same issue appear to be facial hair (won't grow steadily unless very high on T or by stacking DHTs), penis (poor sensation and erections again restored with high DHT or some masteron) and breasts (gynoid appearance and localized, excessive fat accumulation).
I sense having developed low T at a young age (diagnosis was at 24 but symptoms started two years previous to that) could be a factor implicated in the system inability to balance itself after normal T levels are restored, hence I have to fix it myself.
Can't really put up with EOD protocol forever so I'll switch to TU again in the future, but I'll do it my way next time.
I believe I didn't feel it due to the slow progression of the adenoma and I guess I just adapted to it. I do remember a period of years where no matter what I tried I could not gain weight. There was no AAS involved during this period. Actually none from around 1989-90 up until about 2009 ish.
I have no doubt you'll figure this out. I don't think any local doc would be more in tune with what you're dealing with than you are. Or have your knowledge base on the topic for that matter.
I've learned from trial and error how Important having a balanced E2 number is for mood, clear head, and good libido.
I should clarify for the sake of the post. I didn't watch the video the guys from Enhanced Athlete made until after someone on here mentioned there was one.
I was just going by what some Vocal people were saying in their Group. I personally didn't think it was a good idea, but I'm always open to listening to new things.
I didn't post this in TRT section because I didn't want to give people starting out on TRT the possible wrong ideas.
Deca is a nice drug, no it won't function for TRT, period.
(That's my statement on the issue, but I do get surprised how some people react though, knew a guy that functioned well on tren only, but with its androgenic rating it really should work on paper, but won't recommend that to anyone)
There are other AAS that have been used as TRT solo,
but if test works for ya, why fix a good thing?