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    First cycle after a 7 year break?

    How does this look to you guys? It's my first cycle after a 7 year break. It the HCG too high, maybe 300 iu 2x a week during cycle?

    weeks 1-12
    Sust 250: 150mg eod
    Arimidex : .25 mg eod
    HCG: 500 iu 2x a week

    PCT
    weeks 14-16
    Nolva 40, 20, 20

    I absolutely hate clomid. I felt awful when I ran it in the past when I ran it. I have ran nolva only for pct when I used HCG during a cycle in the past.

    Weeks 17+ HCG 500 mg 2x a week

    Stats: 40, 200 lbs, 15% bf, 6'

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnessNY View Post
    How does this look to you guys? It's my first cycle after a 7 year break. It the HCG too high, maybe 300 iu 2x a week during cycle?

    weeks 1-12
    Sust 250: 150mg eod
    Arimidex : .25 mg eod
    HCG: 500 iu 2x a week

    PCT
    weeks 14-16
    Nolva 40, 20, 20

    I absolutely hate clomid. I felt awful when I ran it in the past when I ran it. I have ran nolva only for pct when I used HCG during a cycle in the past.

    Weeks 17+ HCG 500 mg 2x a week

    Stats: 40, 200 lbs, 15% bf, 6'
    I personally like the HCG at a higher dose but you can run it as low as 500 a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David LoPan View Post
    I personally like the HCG at a higher dose but you can run it as low as 500 a week.
    Thanks. I might run the HCG at 500iu 3x a week, during my cycle.

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    I prefer enanthate , cypionate , or propinate over any blended testosterone preparation. Are you estrogen sensitive? Arimidex does have negative impacts to cholesterol, bone health, and immunity and can cause joint pain; try to titrate the dose as low as possible or skip altogether. To aid recovery I would also recommend tapering off the testosterone over a several week period of declining weekly dosages and extending PCT (nolvadex only is fine) to 4-6 wks. The hcg is up to you.

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    I might start the cycle with arimidex at .25mg 2x a week. I am not estrogen sensitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    I prefer enanthate , cypionate , or propinate over any blended testosterone preparation. Are you estrogen sensitive? Arimidex does have negative impacts to cholesterol, bone health, and immunity and can cause joint pain; try to titrate the dose as low as possible or skip altogether. To aid recovery I would also recommend tapering off the testosterone over a several week period of declining weekly dosages and extending PCT (nolvadex only is fine) to 4-6 wks. The hcg is up to you.
    One of my powerlifting friends suggested this. How long have you been tapering? Have you seen it a lot easy on your system overall?

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    Have heard some mixed reviews on this. Is it ok to just run nolvadex ,say 20mg a day and not run any Arimidex . Or does it just depend on your estrogen sensitivity

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clove1234 View Post
    Have heard some mixed reviews on this. Is it ok to just run nolvadex,say 20mg a day and not run any Arimidex. Or does it just depend on your estrogen sensitivity
    yes you can absolutely just run a SERM on cycle and not an AI.. its really an individual thing dependent on each guys body and how they handle estrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    I prefer enanthate , cypionate , or propinate over any blended testosterone preparation. Are you estrogen sensitive? Arimidex does have negative impacts to cholesterol, bone health, and immunity and can cause joint pain; try to titrate the dose as low as possible or skip altogether. To aid recovery I would also recommend tapering off the testosterone over a several week period of declining weekly dosages and extending PCT (nolvadex only is fine) to 4-6 wks. The hcg is up to you.
    could you expound on this a bit ?

    to me it seems tapering down the dosage is simply lowering your ability to build muscle at the end of the cycle while simultaneously keeping yourself shut down longer then you need to be and delaying PCT.
    some guys do just the opposite of this, they switch over to fast acting esters at the end of the cycle, at higher dosages, that way they can stop the cycle and get on pct as quickly as possible (and thus recover hpta quicker and thus get back on cycle again sooner)

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    Serms (Nolva) is fine on cycle.
    Not a fan of letting E2 go ridiculously high though, regardless of your estrogen sensitivity it can impact your libido, chol values, etc.
    How about just using a lower amount of clomid at bedtime to sleep through sides?
    Never felt the need to taper off test. It does it on it's own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnessNY View Post
    Weeks 17+ HCG 500 mg 2x a week
    why are you running hCG after you finish your PCT?

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    I'm 40 and have low test levels. I'm using hcg to help my body make test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitnessNY View Post
    I'm 40 and have low test levels. I'm using hcg to help my body make test.
    Over time HCG is suppressive to your body's endogenous test production. HCG Mono is actually a form of TRT. If your T is low get evaluated by a competent doctor to see if it's correctable and if not, initiate a TRT protocol under a doc's supervision.
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