my friend doesn't like to use test

**D Mc C** · 07-16-2003, 07:23 PM

my friend wants to lean out a little bit. it would be his 2nd cycle, 6'5 253lbs at about 12-15%bf, and has been training for over 2 years. he wants to do winny by itself or with eq. i told him it would be a good idea to run at least 200mg of enanthate so he doesn't shut down his hpta at the end of this cycle. what do you guys think?

**G Child** · 07-16-2003, 07:29 PM

Will be shut regardless.
What are his goals besides wanting to "lean out a little bit" because if that's all he wants to do there are better choices like DIET for one.

**Methuselah** · 07-16-2003, 07:40 PM

No need for the test while cutting. Up the fat and lower the carbs with the diet.

**Musclebuilding Beast** · 07-16-2003, 07:42 PM

Tell him to do Winny stacked with Clentebrol. Winny everyday 50 mg a day for 10 weeks, and clen for 120mg a day for 10 weeks. Thats a good natural, safe cut cyce. Also he has to eat under 3,000 calories a day. cardio 3 times a week @30 MINS on treadmill. I know I know..the treadmill are for bitches...but its also for guys!! Also tell him to supplement on ABS Ripped force extreme 20 mins prior to workout to get his metbolism from a Thyroixine t4, to the stronger thyroixine t3..in other words...FAST MUTHAFUCKING METABOLISM!

**sigrabbit** · 07-16-2003, 08:31 PM

Winny for 10 weeks? You must have a liver made of steel! I would not recommend running it for more than 6 and the clen needs to be alternated 2 weeks on 2 off, with ECA in the "off" time, unless of course you are also using Ketofen (sp?).

**Rickson** · 07-16-2003, 08:37 PM

The benefits of test far outweigh any negatives in any cycle for 99% of the people. It won't keep him from being shutdown but your body doesn't like to be without it. I don't recommend winny for ten weeks but he could do an EQ/winny cycle.

**D Mc C** · 07-17-2003, 12:23 AM

well i guess i was wrong. i'll pass on the info. thanks guys

**BUYLONGTERM** · 07-17-2003, 01:58 PM

Rickson is right. NO CYCLE is complete without TEST. Also, I wouldn't recomend running Winny for 10 weeks. I would run it max 6 weeks at 50mg ED/EOD. Muscle, Not to be an ass, But I think you've been warned several times about giving out bad advise......Be very careful, a newbie might take your advise and really screw themselves up!

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