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03-10-2020, 09:32 AM #1Junior Member
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Anavar - "little to no hepatotoxicity"
Taken from wikipedia - which sources https://link.springer.com/article/10...00464070-00004
Uniquely among 17α-alkylated AAS, oxandrolone shows little to no hepatotoxicity, even at high doses.[23] No cases of severe hepatotoxicity have been singularly attributed to oxandrolone.[23] However, elevated liver enzymes have been observed in some people, particularly with high doses and/or prolonged treatment, although they return to normal ranges following discontinuation.
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03-10-2020, 09:40 AM #2BANNED
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I've been touting this on here for awhile. Var at low dosages is even used to help treat alcoholic liver disease .. clearly docs are not going to prescribe something extremely hepa toxic to treat liver disease.
of course like anything in life, too much of something can always be bad . 100mg of Var per day is going to stress the liver (just like eating 3 large mcdonalds fries per day would stress the liver).
liver issues in bodybuilding isn't generally a problem. oral AAS is not as bad as everyone makes it out to be. its exaggerated so supplement companies can make money selling you liver protection pills
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03-10-2020, 09:42 AM #3Junior Member
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Luke Sandoe used only 20mg of Var for his Olympia prep.. it really depends on what your using it for and what your stacking it with.
I'm starting a con prep cycle here this week. my dosage of Var starting out will only be 20mg as well. though I'd generally run 40mg, but this time around I'm stacking it/rotating it with Winny and Anadrol . as a stand alone though, I think 40mg is plenty effective.
as an addition to TRT , 10-30mg is also fine
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03-10-2020, 10:02 AM #5
Anadrol is another one of these.
They gave the shit to elderly men for 12 weeks, and jacked up liver bloods were only seen in the guys given 100mg/day the whole time. The ones given 50 saw almost nothing.
In another RCT, 50/day was given to 30 people for a period reaching out to a year for many, and they only saw about a 20% increase in problematic markers in 17% of the patients. One of them did develop a liver tumor though, but it could have been completely unrelated.
Considering that cycle doses of Anadrol rarely exceed these levels or run for anywhere near that long, I wouldn’t be even remotely worried about it.
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03-10-2020, 10:20 AM #6
Var goes well with anything. I used 20 mgs per day to help heal from a shoulder tear. It was scripted from my doc for 6 months. No, I didn't use it the whole time but it really wouldn't have hurt. I actually got a text from my pharmacy this morning advising they had to order more so filling it will be slightly delayed. This means my doc re-upped the script after it ran out. Probably 6 more months of scripted var! Love that guy.
Oh, and Mcdonalds fries comment was painful.
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03-10-2020, 01:46 PM #7
McDonald’s fries are bad? I guess it can’t be my primary carb source anymore.
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I’ve read this also - low doses therapeutic doses
I dunno, but var and proV are my go 2’s for now
imo this is quite less damaging than low dosed never ending tren
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03-10-2020, 02:01 PM #9Junior Member
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How long would you feel comfortable running var say at 20mgs per day?
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So, the things ive read about Anadrol causing liver tumours is taken from this one case? Im keen to combine lower doses of Dbol with Anadrol to kickstart my next cycle but the stories of how toxic it is and how Anadro is known to cause tumours did worry me a little.
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I can only comment on what I got from it - horrid heart burn, that & sDrol
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03-11-2020, 07:05 PM #15
Ahhhh...technically speaking, ALL low dose aas have on-book medicinal/therapeutic properties. If you'll recall that is their primary purpose.
We use them off-book for the secondary, or maybe even tertiary, purpose of aesthetic and performance enhancement.
I agree with the Var comments above, dosage should be contingent upon your goals, other compounds, and of course wallet.
Again, Var (and most DHTs) can be run for looong periods (and are prescribed on-book that way), largely because they are extremely mild as evidenced by their low androgenic numbers.
Generally at 20-80 mg, Var is optimally effective when administered twice daily (same for nearly all DHTs) due to the VERY short half-life. Tbol is 50-100 mg.Master Pai Mei of the White Lotus Clan
My motto: SAFETY & RESPECT (for drugs and others).
I AM NOT A SOURCE, I DO NOT GIVE OUT SOURCES, OR PROVIDE SOURCE CHECKS.
I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY UGL's OR ANY ORGANIZATION DEALING WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF ILLEGAL NARCOTICS/SUBSTANCES!
Difference between Drugs & Poisons
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/317700-best-fat-loss-compound.html
Half-lives explained
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...inal+half+life
DNP like Chemotherapy, can be a useful poison, but both are still POISONS
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/306144-dnp-issue.html
BE CAREFUL!
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03-11-2020, 07:06 PM #16
Ahhhh...technically speaking, ALL low dose aas have on-book medicinal/therapeutic properties. If you'll recall that is their primary purpose.
We use them off-book for the secondary, or maybe even tertiary, purpose of aesthetic and performance enhancement.
I agree with the Var comments above, dosage should be contingent upon your goals, other compounds, and of course wallet.
Again, Var (and most DHTs) can be run for looong periods (and are prescribed on-book that way), largely because they are extremely mild as evidenced by their low androgenic numbers.
Generally at 20-80 mg, Var is optimally effective when administered twice daily (same for nearly all DHTs) due to the VERY short half-life. Tbol, 50-100 mg.Master Pai Mei of the White Lotus Clan
My motto: SAFETY & RESPECT (for drugs and others).
I AM NOT A SOURCE, I DO NOT GIVE OUT SOURCES, OR PROVIDE SOURCE CHECKS.
I DO NOT SUPPORT ANY UGL's OR ANY ORGANIZATION DEALING WITH THE DISTRIBUTION OF ILLEGAL NARCOTICS/SUBSTANCES!
Difference between Drugs & Poisons
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=317700
Half-lives explained
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...inal+half+life
DNP like Chemotherapy, can be a useful poison, but both are still POISONS
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=306144
BE CAREFUL!
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03-12-2020, 04:40 AM #17
Anavar - "little to no hepatotoxicity"
Last edited by Gallowmere; 03-12-2020 at 04:45 AM.
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03-12-2020, 04:01 PM #18
ANAVAR and PRIMO are two of my favorite anabolics. Even at low dose results are exceptional.
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I started out with headaches and massive sleepiness on anavar to now absolutely fully adapted at 50mg ED (20 in the start).
How do you guys like to split the dosage? On 50mg, would it be better to do 30-20? Or 10-10-10-10-10?
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