Tren without Mast

**wango** · 12-28-2020, 05:12 PM

Thanx to those that told me about the negative side effects of hair loss with mast. However, I thought that mast always went hand in hand with tren usage.

For “lower” doses (below 150/wk.) of tren, would there be any other compounds or drugs needed to replace the mast? I’d likely be running it with 200-300 mg. of test per week.

Thank you!

**charger69** · 12-28-2020, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Thanx to those that told me about the negative side effects of hair loss with mast. However, I thought that mast always went hand in hand with tren usage.

For “lower” doses (below 150/wk.) of tren, would there be any other compounds or drugs needed to replace the mast? I’d likely be running it with 200-300 mg. of test per week.

Thank you!

Why did you think that mast always goes with tren? I do use the two of them together however I only use tren for cutting.

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**mistury** · 12-28-2020, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Thanx to those that told me about the negative side effects of hair loss with mast. However, I thought that mast always went hand in hand with tren usage.

For “lower” doses (below 150/wk.) of tren, would there be any other compounds or drugs needed to replace the mast? I’d likely be running it with 200-300 mg. of test per week.

Thank you!

Look into proviron . It’s the oral form of mast. 50-100mg ED (I take 50mg pretty much year round and prefer to split the dosage AM/PM). It helps with libido and I just feel good on it. Dryness, libido, "anti-estrogen" and well-being...I’m prone to hair loss and have had no problems on it with my TRT dosage.

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**wango** · 12-28-2020, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

Why did you think that mast always goes with tren ? I do use the two of them together however I only use tren for cutting.

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Just going by what I’ve read here Charger. It just appeared to be a given.

Still learning and a rookie to cycling.

**charger69** · 12-28-2020, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Just going by what I’ve read here Charger. It just appeared to be a given.

Still learning and a rookie to cycling.

Some use it for bulking. I like to add mast to a bulk cycle if I am a little high on the bodyfat side.
My prostrate is acting up so I am not sure of the DHT this year.

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**Cuz** · 12-28-2020, 07:18 PM

If i dont run mast with tren i get tren gyno. For me its like bread and butter, biscuits and gravy...you get the idea

**SampsonandDelilah** · 12-28-2020, 08:14 PM

I like mast AND proviron with my 19 nors...

**IronClydes** · 01-02-2021, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by mistury

Look into proviron . It’s the oral form of mast. 50-100mg ED (I take 50mg pretty much year round and prefer to split the dosage AM/PM). It helps with libido and I just feel good on it. Dryness, libido, "anti-estrogen" and well-being...I’m prone to hair loss and have had no problems on it with my TRT dosage.

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I’ve heard of Proviron and was considering for my upcoming cycle, but it reads as though it’s pretty nasty on your lipids/cardiovascular health; Tren alone is bad on lipids, so I was concerned about adding this into the mix...

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-02-2021, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by IronClydes

I’ve heard of Proviron and was considering for my upcoming cycle, but it reads as though it’s pretty nasty on your lipids/cardiovascular health; Tren alone is bad on lipids, so I was concerned about adding this into the mix...

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You should watch this...

Proviron is a “wingman” steroid . Makes a compelling case for it

**charger69** · 01-02-2021, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

You should watch this...

Proviron is a “wingman” steroid. Makes a compelling case for it

I think you forgot the link. LOL

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**IronClydes** · 01-02-2021, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

You should watch this...

Proviron is a “wingman” steroid. Makes a compelling case for it

Link please

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**mistury** · 01-02-2021, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by IronClydes

I’ve heard of Proviron and was considering for my upcoming cycle, but it reads as though it’s pretty nasty on your lipids/cardiovascular health; Tren alone is bad on lipids, so I was concerned about adding this into the mix...

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Fwiw, my blood tests always come back great, but this assumes anyone who cycles is also taking the appropriate liver/kidney ancillaries.

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**charger69** · 01-02-2021, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by mistury

Fwiw, my blood tests always come back great, but this assumes anyone who cycles is also taking the appropriate liver/kidney ancillaries.

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You may be an exception, but even moderate dosages will screw up your bloods despite taking things to prevent it.
It has always come back into acceptable readings after the usage stops.

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 01-03-2021, 01:01 AM

Shit, I’m getting old.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AoH4_fdcVlY

Just a pretty good explanation of proviron and how it helps other anabolics in the system and has anti E properties as well.

(One caveat, you do have to weed through some BS In this video, but there is some good content on Proviron)

**Lee_1978** · 01-07-2021, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

If i dont run mast with tren i get tren gyno. For me its like bread and butter, biscuits and gravy...you get the idea

Do you not run an AI on tren ?

**redz** · 01-07-2021, 05:16 PM

I often run winstrol with tren in oral form which seems to work pretty well.

**charger69** · 01-07-2021, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lee_1978

Do you not run an AI on tren?

AI’s do not touch prolactin. Why would you run an AI on tren ?

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**Cuz** · 01-07-2021, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lee_1978

Do you not run an AI on tren?

Nope, AI kills my strength gains and i always bulk. Not gonna cut for 2-3 more years of bulking. AI only stop testosterone from converting to too much E, tren doenst aramotize so it does nothing unless you are running high test with tren and imo thats not a good thing to do

**Lethal Hamburger** · 01-07-2021, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I often run winstrol with tren in oral form which seems to work pretty well.

Yeees! Me too. I have had repeatable cycle results with 125mg test e, 250mgs to 375mgs tren e (or deca ) and 50mg/q.d of oral winstrol .
I drop fat and gain approx 8lbs each run. I cruise on 125mg test e or 200mg sust (which puts my blood levels in the same range.)

I had heard stories of joint pain and tendon ruptures but mostly from peeled precontest athletes