Been a while

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-06-2021, 10:42 PM

After failing to incorporate some DHB into my TRT routine (fuck you PIP). I decided to change course and up my test to about 900 mgs a week with 50 mgs of proviron .

Strength is up, weight is up but so is my estrogen. It’s been soooooo long since I’ve had to run an AI as I usually run other compounds with test at TRT levels.

Did labs Wednesday (pain in the ass to attach the report, I think I did it?) but my total is 3230, my free is 1493 but my estrogen is now at 89 (estradiol, ultra sensitive).

Nips are fine, holding a little water (which I don’t mind).

Energy is down, lethargy and tiredness are up and libido is down and definitely some ED (just softer boners)

Want fo bring down my estrogen for the first time in a long time.

Going to add some aromasin (play is safe) and am thinking 12.5 twice a day.

Question is this…

Take it every day, EOD, dosage sound good, continue it for the duration of running 900. About 8 weeks to go before I drop to cruise dose. Run labs again in 3 weeks?

Appreciate the insights…I’ll see if I can get the lab attached

November labs.pdf

**Slowhand** · 11-07-2021, 05:00 AM

You don’t need that much aromasin . at those levels 1-1.5mg armidex would bring me into the mid 30s for e2

I would be extra cautious with a suicidal AI.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-07-2021, 09:12 AM

In my experience (albeit a while back) I had a pretty high margin of error with aromasin and never worried about crushing it. Never fell in the suicidal range like arimidex or letrazole

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-07-2021, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Cylon357

Why not just cut the test to 400mg or so and add a non-aromatizing compound to fill in the gap?

Don’t feel like fucking with deca , no thanks on DHB, have had my fun with Tren , sides mess with me and crush my lipids and liver/kidneys. No thanks on EQ. The tackle box is full and don’t need to buy primo yet…

Growing on test and looking good and feeling strong. Just need to balance my estrogen. Mid 80’s isn’t crazy, just has me feeling the effects for the first time in a while. Bring it down carefully and I’m in business…

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-07-2021, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Slowhand

You don’t need that much aromasin . at those levels 1-1.5mg armidex would bring me into the mid 30s for e2

I would be extra cautious with a suicidal AI.

Edit… just reread your post. I see what you’re saying now, you didn’t mix them up. You’re just suggesting going the armidex route and sharing your anecdotes on 1-1.5 mgs. Correct?

Sorry, didn’t have my coffee yet and was reading on the fly. when you do take arimidex , how often are you doing that 1-1.5? And for how long?

My experience has been there’s a greater margin of error with aromasin in terms of crushing estrogen.

Arimistane, aromasin, arimidex and then letro

Like I said I haven’t encountered symptoms at these numbers before, have had my estrogen close to 100 and been fine.

It’s something new. Must be getting old.

I did fail to mention I’m also running mast at 400, I’ve since taken it to 600

**charger69** · 11-07-2021, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Are you by any chance mixing up arimidex with aromasin ?

The arom I’ve always encountered is dosed at 25 mgs

The arim is dosed in 1 mg tabs

My experience had been there’s a greater margin of error with aromasin in terms of crushing estrogen.

Arimistane, aromasin, arimidex and then letro

Like I said I haven’t encountered symptoms at these numbers before, have had my estrogen close to 100 and been fine.

It’s something new. Must be getting old.

I did fail to mention I’m also running mast at 400, I’ve since taken it to 600

I knew that mast had to be in there somewhere with you. You just left the suspense until the last sentence.
Oh yes, what worked perfectly in the past, no longer works like it used to do due to aging. It is frustrating to doing what worked last year and it doesn’t give the results you expected.
I do not take AI’s usually. My biggest problem when I push the envelope is water retention. I will take an AI for a couple of days only and it usually fixes things. The AI helps relieve the extra water.
You know what it means when you start worrying about estrogen levels don’t you? You are turning into a pussy

. Sorry, but I couldn’t pass it up.
Let us know what you do and the results.
Keep fighting the fight!
When’s your next review? I was just received negative results!

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-07-2021, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by charger69

I knew that mast had to be in there somewhere with you. You just left the suspense until the last sentence.
Oh yes, what worked perfectly in the past, no longer works like it used to do due to aging. It is frustrating to doing what worked last year and it doesn’t give the results you expected.
I do not take AI’s usually. My biggest problem when I push the envelope is water retention. I will take an AI for a couple of days only and it usually fixes things. The AI helps relieve the extra water.
You know what it means when you start worrying about estrogen levels don’t you? You are turning into a pussy

. Sorry, but I couldn’t pass it up.
Let us know what you do and the results.
Keep fighting the fight!
When’s your next review? I was just received negative results!

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“Turning”. Shit Charger, I turned into a pussy a while ago

Of course the mast was in there, forgot to write but I just assumed you knew

Think roll with 12.5 every 3.5 days for a week or two and run labs again or just go off of symptoms?

I’m pretty in tune with myself, I guessed 80’s before they even took blood.

I can deal with everything else except I need junior flying at full mast

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-07-2021, 10:09 AM

Congrats on the review by the way! I had a scan 6 weeks ago and all was good! Blood work for everything non hormonal has been good. Still dealing with GI sides but common due to the radiation and the type of chemo I had (just dealing with it). Colonoscopy in December, fingers crossed!

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 01:35 PM

Giving myself a bump.

Aromasin touched down today and wanting to get started but find myself second guessing dosing and duration. Am going to stay on 900 test and 600 mast with 50 mgs of proviron for the next 8 weeks and then dial back to my cruise.

Would like to cut my estrogen down but obviously not annihilate it. Looking back at past labs, I’ve done well in the 50’s and 60’s. Pushing 90 now and it’s noticeable.

Thoughts?

(My plan is to stay the course on the blast)

**charger69** · 11-09-2021, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Giving myself a bump.

Aromasin touched down today and wanting to get started but find myself second guessing dosing and duration. Am going to stay on 900 test and 600 mast with 50 mgs of proviron for the next 8 weeks and then dial back to my cruise.

Would like to cut my estrogen down but obviously not annihilate it. Looking back at past labs, I’ve done well in the 50’s and 60’s. Pushing 90 now and it’s noticeable.

Thoughts?

(My plan is to stay the course on the blast)

Add 900 tren . You would be so pissed off, you wouldn’t even notice the estrogen rise.

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 02:08 PM

Oh man, I barely get through 500

**warchild** · 11-09-2021, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Giving myself a bump.

Aromasin touched down today and wanting to get started but find myself second guessing dosing and duration. Am going to stay on 900 test and 600 mast with 50 mgs of proviron for the next 8 weeks and then dial back to my cruise.

Would like to cut my estrogen down but obviously not annihilate it. Looking back at past labs, I’ve done well in the 50’s and 60’s. Pushing 90 now and it’s noticeable.

Thoughts?

(My plan is to stay the course on the blast)

What doses are your cruise? Curious what it takes to maintain that lean mass.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 02:58 PM

Originally Posted by warchild

What doses are your cruise? Curious what it takes to maintain that lean mass.

Damn fellas, no AI help? Lol

My cruise is 200 mgs a week. Keeps me at around 1200 total and I rotate proviron 50 mgs a day (25x2).
Usually 12 on, 8 off. Or close to it…

Keeps my free test between 75-300

**charger69** · 11-09-2021, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Damn fellas, no AI help? Lol

My cruise is 200 mgs a week. Keeps me at around 1200 total and I rotate proviron 50 mgs a day (25x2).
Usually 12 on, 8 off. Or close to it…

Keeps my free test between 75-300

The rest of us aren’t pussies and don’t believe in AI’s. LMAO

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

I knew that mast had to be in there somewhere with you. You just left the suspense until the last sentence.
Oh yes, what worked perfectly in the past, no longer works like it used to do due to aging. It is frustrating to doing what worked last year and it doesn’t give the results you expected.
I do not take AI’s usually. My biggest problem when I push the envelope is water retention. I will take an AI for a couple of days only and it usually fixes things. The AI helps relieve the extra water.
You know what it means when you start worrying about estrogen levels don’t you? You are turning into a pussy

. Sorry, but I couldn’t pass it up.
Let us know what you do and the results.
Keep fighting the fight!
When’s your next review? I was just received negative results!

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Ummmmmm

**charger69** · 11-09-2021, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Ummmmmm

OK- you got me! LOL

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**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by charger69

OK- you got me! LOL

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Busted

What dose and duration, damnit?

FFS, surely someone has some insights? Maybe it’s the hormones or are my expectations are too high?

The 190 pound clown wanting to blast Tren , HGH and insulin is getting more feedback, lol.

Throw me a bone fuckers…

I’m certainly equipped to handle it on my own and am a big boy, thought id come here first though for some affirmation. Jimmy’s post is outdated but may start there. Like I said, haven’t needed an AI in years and am not a proponent. However, I’m symptomatic and going to ride this blast out regardless. Just need to drop this estrogen down about 25 points for 2 months before picking back up my cruise.

Bueller, anyone?

**flexin-rph** · 11-09-2021, 06:59 PM

I, myself, have a horrible time with my lipid profile on AI's....although not quite as bad an Aromasin . I get by pretty well running Proviron 50mg qd year round. You might just give it a chance.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by flexin-rph

I, myself, have a horrible time with my lipid profile on AI's....although not quite as bad an Aromasin. I get by pretty well running Proviron 50mg qd year round. You might just give it a chance.

Appreciated and noted. Actually my lipids dip pretty hard after about 12 weeks on the proviron , it’s one of my favorite compounds and wish I could handle it yearly but the blood work doesn’t support it. I’m convinced I could lower my total milligrams per week of test if I could. That and mast are two of my faves but sadly aren’t handling the E2 anymore. I’ll sacrifice my lipids for 8 weeks to get the estrogen issue under control as it’s making me a little crazy but am digging everything else so don’t want to abandon course.

**flexin-rph** · 11-09-2021, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Appreciated and noted. Actually my lipids dip pretty hard after about 12 weeks on the proviron, it’s one of my favorite compounds and wish I could handle it yearly but the blood work doesn’t support it. I’m convinced I could lower my total milligrams per week of test if I could. That and mast are two of my faves but sadly aren’t handling the E2 anymore. I’ll sacrifice my lipids for 8 weeks to get the estrogen issue under control as it’s making me a little crazy but am digging everything else so don’t want to abandon course.

We're not getting any younger.....unfortunately our bodies definitely change.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-09-2021, 08:00 PM

Truth ^^^^^

**Fireguy1990** · 11-09-2021, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Truth ^^^^^

I'd start with 12.5 mg twice a week. Take it about 12 to 14 hours after you pin your test. You don't seem like you aromatize too much.

I'm on 200 mg test and 12.5 mg twice a week has my e2 at 32

**kelkel** · 11-10-2021, 04:30 PM

Why not just drop the test back by 2-300? See if that solves the dilemma?

**SampsonandDelilah** · 11-10-2021, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Why not just drop the test back by 2-300? See if that solves the dilemma?

Fair question and I have no doubts it will. I’m currently growing on it though and feeling full and strong with it being my primary compound.

I generally always run test as a base for other compounds (at TRT and usually with a 19Nor) just not handling those like I used to so decided to up the test and am feeling great with the exception of some elevated estrogen issues.

Want to keep my total and free numbers where they are and cut the E2 by a 1/3 and think I’ll be dialed in.

I’m just running the high test with mast and proviron …

Make sense?