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07-27-2003, 05:20 AM #1New Member
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Nolva vs. Proviron...what's the difference?
i've alrealdy used the search button but i find difficult understanding the difference (if any) between these two products.
and, please could someone answer these other questions?
i was told that proviron gives your muscles hardness if used during a treatment, is it true?
Is it useful (or, on the contrary, should it be avoided ) to continue using proviron after a cycle (of course with the correct clomid therapy and with clenbuterol )? if so how long should proviron be continued for?
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07-27-2003, 07:31 AM #2
Proviron is a estrogen antagonist which prevents the aromatization of test into estrogen.
Nolva keeps estrogen from binding to the receptor site.
Personally I think you need some estrogen to grow so I would use Nolva through a cycle but if I had gyno before I would then used a estrogen antagonist like proviron.
Yes it is know that Proviron will make you harder.
I would run the Proviron durring your cycle and not post cycle. JMO
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07-27-2003, 08:57 AM #3New Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
another question: do nolva or proviron affect gains? in other words if you hadn't gyno before would you still use these products?
Originally Posted by TheMudMan
"Proviron, an anabolic steroid , is particularly interesting. I suspect that it not only acts as an antiaromatase but in an unknown DHT-like anti-estrogenic manner. This might involve estrogen receptor downregulation for example. In any case, aromatase inhibition and/or Clomid don’t seem to give the same effect on appearance and muscle hardness as when Proviron is included."...as clomid is used after a cycle i thought that bill roberts suggested to use clomid along with proviron
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07-27-2003, 09:27 AM #4
I would also like too know if nolva hinders ones gains?
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07-27-2003, 10:13 AM #5
Dima - I never used Proviron during a cycle or PCT. I use nolva durring the cycle and PCT. If your looking for muscle hardnes I would run winny for the last 6 weeks of your cycle up to PCT. This will give you the best results if your diet is in check.
What does your cycle look like?
MR.BICEPS - No nolva will NOT hinder your gains. The weight you will not gain by using nolva would be water anyway.
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07-27-2003, 12:49 PM #6
Proviron should actually help to increase gains, since it is a DHT derivative, and lowers blood levels of SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) allowing test to bind to receptors rather than SHBG.
There is a study showing that about 85 of 260 men used high doses of proviron for a year and recieved slight HPTA (hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis) supression. The rest of the men did not recieve HPTA supression, even while running it for a year.
One could surmise from these results that it could be a good device for hardenning post cycle, lowering SHBG to help prevent catabolism post cycle, and slightly lowering estrogen to promote LH (luteinizing hormone) production.
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07-28-2003, 12:56 AM #7New Member
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Originally Posted by TheMudMan
week 1 and 2: 500mg test( 2*250 mg shots) and 500mg deca (a total of 5*200mg of deca in 2 weeks)
week 3 to week 7: 500mg test (2*250 mg shots) and 250 mg winnny (5 shots per week)
week 8 and 9:1 winny EOD (week 9 starting clen )
i'm actually in week 9 (very satisifed with results)...i was thinking about adding 50mg of proviron ED till the end of clomid therapy (clomid starting the day after last shot of winny)
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07-28-2003, 01:03 AM #8New Member
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Originally Posted by Ex_banana-eater
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07-28-2003, 01:47 AM #9
I'm taking Proviron through out my cycle up to the day BEFORE clomid. I love Proviron for its Estro blocking...I was always taught that Proviron enhances foreign test assimilation, and actually lowers it when youre not getting the outside source.....make any sense?
I'm tired...
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07-28-2003, 04:31 AM #10
it definitly makes you harder!
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07-30-2003, 04:53 AM #11New Member
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bump!
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