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Ok I just need to make absolutely sure. I am about to start cutting. I have Winny, 50 mgs ED for 8 wks, clenbuterol and an ECA stack, 8wks, 2weeks on Clen 2 weeks on eca etc... My understanding is that since nothing I will be taking converts into estrogens, there will be no negative feedback, therefore chlomid post cycle is not necissary. I have some clomid so if I am incorrect it shouldn't be a prob. Thanks a lot!
-RC :D
no clomid is nessccesary, but if u want to use what u have u can use it post-cycle ! u wont really lose any gains, if u make any at all !
Winstrol shuts you down, i would use post cycle threatment.
Winny does convert in small proportions, and Palme is on the money. I assume your using winny to prevent catabolism while dieting? No sense in doing that if your going to loose muscle from shut down hpta after winny discontinuation.
Clomid-A must after any administration of AS(bridging the exception)
I am not so sure about this. As I understand it, winny is incapable of converting to estrogen in the human body. Anybody else??Quote:
Winny does convert in small proportions,
I would def. reccomend doing a PCT
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Originally Posted by chicamahomico
Actually you are correct, I mispoke on the matter for the sake of time.(poor habit)
Winstrol being a precurser to dihydrotestosterone, prevents it's conversion to estrogens(specifically estriodol) but because of it's half life and small androgenic properties, the cease in hpta fuction is unavoidable. Being that this is the case, not only is PCT a must for proper recovery, but a risk is run for estrogens rebound once testosterone does start to be produced once again in the body. This can untimately lead to gyno symptoms. A common misconcseption that a friend of mine figured out the hard way.
that makes much more sense. Thanks a ton for your input. However I have decided to follow your earlier advice, and forget the winstrol only cycle. Yes it was to prevent catabolism while dieting. However, I have come to believe that idea is indeed pointless. Soooooo i threw in some test EQ proviron and nolvadex. :dood:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pheedno
thanks as always
-RC
A winny only cycle won't give you much gains. Although it will provide you with some potential for muscle growth. It gives you good strength and hardens you up. So if your diet is good and you lift big, you can gain a few solid pounds on winny.
Nixter.
Any anabolic steriod will shut down the HPTA. ANY.
once again Pheedno has the best answers...bro where the hell where you when i was chemistry class 15 years ago