Give me muscles!!

**Fiskevatten** · 06-29-2022, 09:05 AM

Currently travelling for a holiday, but will return home in a month. That means mid August I will do the
most fun and heavy cycle I have ever done, and here I need you rascals help!

I have a few easier Test P/E, Primo and Anavar cycles under my belt, nothing major.
Currently on Test E TRT.
34y.o, 185cm, 92kg, guessing 15%

- I will invest money and time in this, and my current girl is prepared to help me with whatever I need.
- I will also get pharmgrade under doctor supervision (have that there no matter what I want)
- I will also have someone deliver food to me during this time with what I need.
More or less, I don´t want to give room for any excuses.
- Time is no issue.

Keep in mind that I have:
- DDD (Degenerate Disc Disease) at L5, but so far no issue in life or gym.
- High BP, currently 120-145 on meds syst, dys is great.
- Rest of values and health is great.

Preferences:
- I would love to limit extreme risks, I had a friend now fcking himself up on insulin .
- Drugs that takes a toll months or years after usage is not worth it, some says libido was destroyed long after Tren use as example. Or enlarged heart.

I understand all have risks, but since I am non experienced here, I would want it to at least follow a risk to reward ratio that I can live with.
Not seeking to win a competition, but I want those muscles I have never had. I want to look strong and I want to feel that I too might have potential.
My end-goal is trying to become a scandinavian asian model, and promote my own clothing brand - need to look good.

I was recommended Test, Growth, Insu, Mast, and Npp by a friend here - but all makes me scratch my head.

So I would love to hear you guys thoughts?

**Cylon357** · 06-29-2022, 09:32 AM

Sounds like a cut or recomp is in order vs a bulk, with the model aspirations.

Test growth and mast would likely be good in that capacity, but you at going to need to dial in the diet and training. What sort of training are you planning?

**Fiskevatten** · 06-29-2022, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Cylon357

Sounds like a cut or recomp is in order vs a bulk, with the model aspirations.

Test growth and mast would likely be good in that capacity, but you at going to need to dial in the diet and training. What sort of training are you planning?

What has worked best for me is what I call Plus Split, so:
Day 1 Legs
Day 2 Shoulders/ Triceps
Day 3 Rest
Day 4 Back
Day 5 Chest/ Biceps
Day 6 Rest
Day 7 Restart

Abs are incorporated every session. I seem to need more rest which I hate to take.
When training I just make sure that I hit all split parts, combining flexibility with more static heavy and explosive (e.g lunges with squats).
Though might remove deadlift, squat etc for back issue and go to machine on the heavier ones.
And I will drop the ego lifting, that only hurts me.

I am however open ears/ eyes to try new things.

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-02-2022, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Fiskevatten

What has worked best for me is what I call Plus Split, so:
Day 1 Legs
Day 2 Shoulders/ Triceps
Day 3 Rest
Day 4 Back
Day 5 Chest/ Biceps
Day 6 Rest
Day 7 Restart

Abs are incorporated every session. I seem to need more rest which I hate to take.
When training I just make sure that I hit all split parts, combining flexibility with more static heavy and explosive (e.g lunges with squats).
Though might remove deadlift, squat etc for back issue and go to machine on the heavier ones.
And I will drop the ego lifting, that only hurts me.

I am however open ears/ eyes to try new things.

You're only targeting a muscle group once a week? If you're on gear, you should be able to hit every group twice in a week.

**s1nc1ty** · 07-02-2022, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

You're only targeting a muscle group once a week? If you're on gear, you should be able to hit every group twice in a week.

Even if not on gear’ 2x a week is a must imo..... 1x week sucks

**Fiskevatten** · 07-02-2022, 08:34 AM

I´ve tried tons of variations, but I grow the best with more rest. When I train I push it to the limit and next day the muscles often get incorporated again, just not isolated.
I have seen no additional size on me doing 2x a week except smaller muscles like e.g. pecs, forearms, abs, calves.
However, I have seen/ felt injuries, overtraining and CNS issues doing 2x.

**s1nc1ty** · 07-02-2022, 10:49 AM

If you think is best for you go ahead ..studies say optimal for muscle growth is training a muscle group twice a week and 10-20 sets per week tho .This is true also in my expirience. 2x week 8-12 set per muscle group or 3 times a week 4-6 sets per muscle group both have worked for me. Hell even 2x week 4 sets for muscle worked for me for long time. I did exercises like overhead press 2x week 4x5 hard reps and kept progressing like that for 2 years. It would still work for me probs.1x week the frequency too low imo. The first sets you do are the most important ..2x 10 sets better then 1x 20 sets (imo). Also 7 days too long your missing out on opportunity to train and progress. If your on gear tho and everithyng else is in its place 1x week should still work’ not optimal tho. Just my 2 cents, good luck with whatever routine you choose

**Cuz** · 07-02-2022, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by s1nc1ty

Even if not on gear’ 2x a week is a must imo..... 1x week sucks

Been doing 1x a week workouts for years and im bigger than 99% of people in the gym. So if i had put forth the extra effort and said fuck my job fuck my family fuck everything except bodybuilding i would more than likely look the same .

Moral of the story is unless you are trying to be a pro, why waste all that time . Nothing wrong with 1x a week workouts ive proven that to myself . Now, we could say 2x on certain areas to “bring them up” if you will. But doing every muscle group 2x is not optimal if you are a normal human

**Fiskevatten** · 07-02-2022, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Been doing 1x a week workouts for years and im bigger than 99% of people in the gym. So if i had put forth the extra effort and said fuck my job fuck my family fuck everything except bodybuilding i would more than likely look the same .

Moral of the story is unless you are trying to be a pro, why waste all that time . Nothing wrong with 1x a week workouts ive proven that to myself . Now, we could say 2x on certain areas to “bring them up” if you will. But doing every muscle group 2x is not optimal if you are a normal human

I second this as well. I´ve done most of my years doing 2x a week since that is what I was taught or read, then variations, intensity, reps/ sets etc play a huge role as well and we´ve all experimented there.
However, I always feel I loose power, start to get twitchy muscles, bad knees etc more when I have done that compared to 1x week. Even though it´s 1x I still have e.g. dead in backprogram, so muscles
still get incorporated more.
1x is especially true when I have a hectic life.
Even mood and libido is better for me when I rest more. However, I will say that I usually train 2x or even 3x from time to time because the gym is GREAT for my mental health and
it´s the best start in the morning.

I will need to start swimming and stuff more as well since I (even if youngish) start to get issues more and more, like my backproblem now. So I will need to mix it up compared to before,
That will be very interesting on a cycle since it´s all new to me and my body, have always just done gym on gear.
Dropped sports a long time ago.

However, I am still learning, so I will take above and new answers in consideration for sure, I have never done something heavier, so maybe I need to push more with more in me to reap
the most benefit. Test and anavar and primo never really done much for me, sure I gain, but I still look like a buff natural dude with bacne lol

Back on the other question, I am scared of insulin and tren . However, a friend in the fitness industry swears on using insulin and love the benefits.
I have respect for the deca issues, so I guess using NPP might be easier to adjust/ control.
Hated primo, did nothing for me. Love Var and my limit seems to be 60 daily until my body responds negative.
Never done mast, but understood it as it´s very limited in the building department, more making you hard/ dry before comp, so might be unnecessary?
Right now I am leaning towards Test, NPP, Var, Growth... Not sure if that is a good combo? Maybe throw in some drol to force power in a bit?

**tarmyg** · 07-02-2022, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Been doing 1x a week workouts for years and im bigger than 99% of people in the gym. So if i had put forth the extra effort and said fuck my job fuck my family fuck everything except bodybuilding i would more than likely look the same .

Moral of the story is unless you are trying to be a pro, why waste all that time . Nothing wrong with 1x a week workouts ive proven that to myself . Now, we could say 2x on certain areas to “bring them up” if you will. But doing every muscle group 2x is not optimal if you are a normal human

Wow. Did not even know 1x per week was a thing. I use the gym time as me time and it’s a massive destresser for me so not an option but still fascinated it works.

**1beardedalpha** · 07-03-2022, 06:27 AM

I would probably get that bp under control along with the L5. Are u sure it isn't pars defect from birth ?

As far as cycles go if u want lean muscle I'd probably go with test e and mast
If u want some size test + deca

If u want strength tren + test + mast

If you're first time user I'd probably go with proviron and testosterone so you don't jack yourself up to much.

So your plan is to get trt prescription and just constantly be on the prescription?

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**s1nc1ty** · 07-03-2022, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Been doing 1x a week workouts for years and im bigger than 99% of people in the gym. So if i had put forth the extra effort and said fuck my job fuck my family fuck everything except bodybuilding i would more than likely look the same .

Moral of the story is unless you are trying to be a pro, why waste all that time . Nothing wrong with 1x a week workouts ive proven that to myself . Now, we could say 2x on certain areas to “bring them up” if you will. But doing every muscle group 2x is not optimal if you are a normal human

Yeah. Well i guess it works better if your enhanced. If it works for you great and i imagine its quite convinient.For maintenance it should be enough also I guess.As for me tho as im almost natural and my lifts are mediocre at best, 1x week would not cut it if i wanna get anywhere any time soon I think

**Cuz** · 07-03-2022, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by s1nc1ty

Yeah. Well i guess it works better if your enhanced. If it works for you great and i imagine its quite convinient.For maintenance it should be enough also I guess.As for me tho as im almost natural and my lifts are mediocre at best, 1x week would not cut it if i wanna get anywhere any time soon I think

The post wasnt meant to bash anyone doing 2x a week, alot do and thats bc it works for them what works for me might not work for you get it? My body has always needed lots more sleep and recovery i feel than the normal person. But i also work 12 hours a day operating machinery so i was simply saying it wasnt optimal for me. Most pros do that im aware of but hell, take Jay for instance his wife worked two jobs so he could train and eat all the time we all dont have that luxury

**charger69** · 07-03-2022, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by Cuz

The post wasnt meant to bash anyone doing 2x a week, alot do and thats bc it works for them what works for me might not work for you get it? My body has always needed lots more sleep and recovery i feel than the normal person. But i also work 12 hours a day operating machinery so i was simply saying it wasnt optimal for me. Most pros do that im aware of but hell, take Jay for instance his wife worked two jobs so he could train and eat all the time we all dont have that luxury

Any exercise is good, however the probability that you are experiencing muscle atrophy is highly unlikely.
The reason that I do not say impossible is because I used to do 1 muscle per week, but working out 6 days. This is not that uncommon, however your lack of time, it sounds like you are not spending the time in the gym to sufficiently have the equalized load or tension necessary in that one time to have any recognized atrophy.

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**Fiskevatten** · 07-03-2022, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by 1beardedalpha

I would probably get that bp under control along with the L5. Are u sure it isn't pars defect from birth ?

As far as cycles go if u want lean muscle I'd probably go with test e and mast
If u want some size test + deca

If u want strength tren + test + mast

If you're first time user I'd probably go with proviron and testosterone so you don't jack yourself up to much.

So your plan is to get trt prescription and just constantly be on the prescription?

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I am already under the eyes of the heart clinic and eating two different medications for my BP. It´s part genetic and part
me doing test. Goes up more during cycles, especially when kidneys have to work more, but all values are good at the moment.

According to scans and orthopedic the L5 is due to DDD, but I need an MRI to confirm. Since the pain has become chronic
just 7 months ago, then I doubt it´s that "unfortunately".

I am already on TRT by prescription which I chose myself. Still in range naturally, but feel happier and more energized on TRT.
However, it has started to provide less, so I am scared it might not give the life I hoped to have. Need to evaluate more
with doctor.

I definitely need some size that I can keep and build on.

**Fiskevatten** · 07-22-2022, 04:29 AM

Update!

I finally managed to tune TRT to a feel good state. Got ED suddenly at it seems to have to do with dose being to high. Went from 0.5 to 0.4 and it made a lot of difference (250 ampule 1ml). However, I get maybe 85% hard, can't get 100% on TRT it seems without Viagra.

I planing the cycle now starting in a month. I am leaning a lot towards Test E, Mast E, Tren A, Proviron , Anavar . Or change Tren for NPP. Am I missing anything? I don't think I am prone to MPB, but acne fore sure and high BP.

I am very very keen on keeping libido, I have a very s*xually active girl and we just bought a toy box, don't wanna dissappoint her.

Any advice is much appreciated!

**Test Monsterone** · 07-22-2022, 12:39 PM

Are we talking about one body part per week, or one workout per week? One workout sounds wild.

**Mooseman33** · 07-22-2022, 12:56 PM

my advice is to get ur weenie fixed man. why start another round of a ton of chems before u get urself right?

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-23-2022, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by Fiskevatten

Update!

I finally managed to tune TRT to a feel good state. Got ED suddenly at it seems to have to do with dose being to high. Went from 0.5 to 0.4 and it made a lot of difference (250 ampule 1ml). However, I get maybe 85% hard, can't get 100% on TRT it seems without Viagra.

I planing the cycle now starting in a month. I am leaning a lot towards Test E, Mast E, Tren A, Proviron , Anavar . Or change Tren for NPP. Am I missing anything? I don't think I am prone to MPB, but acne fore sure and high BP.

I am very very keen on keeping libido, I have a very s*xually active girl and we just bought a toy box, don't wanna dissappoint her.

Any advice is much appreciated!

If you're getting your TRT through your doctor or at a clinic, wait until you get to a point where they order bloodwork once every 6 months or so. And definitely wait until after your pecker is back to working right.

**Fiskevatten** · 07-23-2022, 04:40 AM

Got via doc indeed, pecker works since I lowered the dose, strange is that I got a lot better rod after a few drinks. Was thinking that e2 might be the culprit making me loose the remaining 15%.

I will have a lifetime dial that in perfectly, but before getting kids I wanna try get that dream body. If all goes well we will try mid next year, so gives me a few months to be a rockstar.

Last bw was perfect, just low T and he wanted to increase it to 0.4-0.5, but 0.5 was apparently too much. A little high Potassium as well. Next bw is in 3 weeks time.