08-15-2003, 09:39 PM #1
Kicking around some more ideas (two bulking cycles)
This may come as a shock to some, as I'm an avid proponent of moderately goaled cycles that seek to manipulate composition over raw poundage (so a mass accumulation followed by a leaning phase in an attempt to get the body to more easily "accept" the gains of the cycle by not going dramatically over setpoint...should such a point even exist), but I'm looking to do a pure bulk cycle this winter. The way I see it, is I spend a great deal of time telling people that you really have to try several things to find what works for you...and now it's time to take my medicine. I've sketched out two bulkers below and I'd like some feedback on which you guys prefer. Both are based on enanthate at their core.
CYCLE #1 (utilizing fina in a bulker)
Weeks 1-15 Test enan @ 500-600mg week (leaning towards 600)
Weeks 1-14 Eq @500-600mg week (same dose as test)
Weeks 5-15 Fina enan@ (i'm thinking)350-400mg week
CYCLE #2 (no fina, but giving deca a try)
Weeks 1-15 Test enan @ same dosages as above
Weeks 1-15 Deca @ 350mg week
Weeks 1-4 Dbol @ 40mg day
Ideally, I want to try both fina and deca, but for obvious reasons have serious reservations about running both in the same cycle and won't go that route. So, any thoughts?
08-15-2003, 09:40 PM #2
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08-16-2003, 02:23 PM #8
I agree deca adds mass better than fina but fina has several advantages.
1. It keeps me lean while bulking
2. my strength is through the roof
3. it adds some water free keepable gains to me
4. My aggresion in the gym is way up.
The bulking aspect of deca (I run it at atleast 600 as well) isn't worth the side effects for me, even wtih HCG i have a hard time coming off it.
08-16-2003, 04:23 PM #9
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08-17-2003, 10:12 AM #11
08-17-2003, 12:12 PM #12Originally Posted by Rickson
08-17-2003, 12:40 PM #13
I think deca causes more harm than good regarding joint pain. I had a minor shoulder injury and was running deca at 600mg ew, the deca really killed all the pain in my shoulder but also didn't allow me to really feel that I was injured to a great degree. In the end my minor shoulder problem that was masked by the deca caused me major issues.
08-17-2003, 12:52 PM #14Member
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I would run #2...oh wait that is what I'm running next..haha!!! I just havent seen anyone that can show me that fina is sooo great...Huge Presser didnt care for it and it do seem to lean people up but as a bulk cycle...I would go with D-Bol/Test/Deca !
08-17-2003, 01:12 PM #15
The bottom line is you are probably going to be happy with either cycle. Deca is a love/hate drug which is very apparent in this thread. I think everyone should at least try it in their AAS experience since many have an incredible response to it but you have many years to get to it. I wish you the best of luck on your bulker.
08-18-2003, 10:53 AM #16Associate Member
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Well I really love deca . With deca, I get no bloat...just very high quality (very keepable) LBM gains. I do experience BP problems when I combine dbol with deca though, so you may want to keep an eye on your's.
Also, I would never come off deca and testosterone simultaneously. Instead, I always allow 5 weeks for deca to clear. Any decanoate esterified compound is going to take a very long time to taper off. During those 5-6 weeks, I would continue the test enanthate or ideally run a course of test prop and an oral of your choosing.
Lastly, I would use hcg 2x weekly on a cycle of this length. I'm actually wrapping up a 16-week cycle nearly identical to your #2 (except for the timing issue) and have used hcg since week 4. I have experienced no testicular atrophy whatsoever.
08-18-2003, 12:06 PM #17
I had great gains the last time I ran deca with no side's....my BP went up but I also wasn't using anything to remove the retained water. Haven't ran fina so I can't say I like one better than the other. I'm on test and dbol right now and today will add deca since I had such great results last time.
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