2nd cycle advice?

**Hanorian** · 08-22-2003, 04:14 AM

Hi.. I'm going on my 2nd cycle this autumn and would like som advice/opinions on what I've come up with so far. First stats:
I'm 6,2 @ 192lbs (was 6,1 @ 145lbs before AS) and 23yo. I've always been skinny but want to change that. I've trained for about 4 years (3 years serious) and is keeping a very clean diet. I've also always been able to eat fat food without gaining any weight. High metabolism I suppose. I eat about 2500kcal/day now but will eat as much as 4-4500kcal/day when I start. Lots of quality protein. Enough about that.. To my upcoming cycle:

week 1-14 Deca (400mg/w lower dose @ week 11-14)
week 1-10 Sustanon (500mg/w lower dose @ week 10)
week 1-6 D-Bol (40mg/day lower dose from week 4-6)
week 11-16 Winny (75mg eod)
week 11-20 Clenbuterol (peek at 100mg w15, w16)
week 16-18 HCG (5000 i.u./5 days)
week 17 Clomid (100mg)
week 18 Clomid (50mg)

(I work out at the gym 5-6 times a week when on AS, 4-5 times when of AS, depending on my work schedule.)

I've also got Nolvadex from the beginning, if necessary. I don't really know if this cycle is a bit "overkill" so pls let me know what ya all think.
I'm hoping to gain a lot of quality mass without loosing to much post cycle.

**MBaraso** · 08-22-2003, 05:50 AM

Well first off you should keep your work-out schedual the same whether your on or off IMO.
2nd I would run the cycle like this:
Week 1-15 Sus 500mgs (frontload @750 or a gram for 2 weeks)
week 1-14 Deca 400mgs
Week 1-5 D-Bol 40mgs ed
week 12-17 Winny 50 mgs ed
week 11-20 Clenbuterol (peek at 100mg w15, w16)
week 16-18 HCG (5000 i.u./5 days)
Clomid starts 1 day after last winny.

Keep your dosage's constant throughout the cycle,
Don't taper them like u were going to.

**Diesel** · 08-22-2003, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by MBaraso

2nd I would run the cycle like this:
Week 1-15 Sus 500mgs (frontload @750 or a gram for 2 weeks)
week 1-14 Deca 400mgs
Week 1-5 D-Bol 40mgs ed
week 12-17 Winny 50 mgs ed
week 11-20 Clenbuterol (peek at 100mg w15, w16)
week 16-18 HCG (5000 i.u./5 days)
Clomid starts 1 day after last winny.

Keep your dosage's constant throughout the cycle,
Don't taper them like u were going to.

I am not a big frontload fan myself. However, I have to agree with what MBaraso has laid out for you.

Good Luck bro.

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**MBaraso** · 08-22-2003, 09:57 AM

Diesel the only reason I told him to frontload in the begining is cuz he's using Sus.
If he was using enth or cyp I wouldn't have told him to frontload.

**toolman** · 08-22-2003, 10:15 AM

Mbaraso, you have him starting clomid only 2 weeks after his last sust injection. Won't that be a waste as the general consensus is to wait 3.

Deca for that long is going to shut you down hard and you want to make sure you get your pct timed right. Also be ready to run clomid longer if your not up and running after the first round.

**Hanorian** · 08-22-2003, 12:03 PM

Just wanted to say; thank you all for the help!! Anyone who think the cycle is to long? I meen 18 weeks total is quite a while.. When u say frontload sust, u meen drink it, don't u? It might sound like a stupid question, but I just wonder.. Thanx again yall!!

**hybrid** · 08-22-2003, 12:20 PM

Frontload refers to taking a higher dose for the first couple of weeks to get things going faster.

**MBaraso** · 08-22-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Mbaraso, you have him starting clomid only 2 weeks after his last sust injection. Won't that be a waste as the general consensus is to wait 3.

Deca for that long is going to shut you down hard and you want to make sure you get your pct timed right. Also be ready to run clomid longer if your not up and running after the first round.

Clomid starts 2 weeks after his last shot because thats how long it will take for the Sus to stop effectivly working in his system.
And when using deca in cycle's you should prolong clomid treatment for an extra week ( 4 weeks) .
And Han: Frontloading is what Hybird said, but no u don't drink it lol
The reason I told u to frontload is because Sus has short and long acting esters in it's mix, so IMO you should take more the 1st two weeks to get your blood levels to where they should be for optimal growth...
If you wanna know more about this practice read this:
http://www.basskilleronline.com/sust250.html

**Hanorian** · 08-23-2003, 01:40 PM

Thanx again!! Really good info!!

***Billy_Bathgate*** · 08-23-2003, 03:20 PM

Clomid 3wks after last Sust, not 2.

Deconate ester will still be around by 2wks and will prevent your htpa from starting back up yet.

Deca after 3 wks as well.