PCT fine tuning

**DocHoliday** · 09-09-2003, 08:54 AM

wk 1-10 Test Enanthate 400mg ew
*wk 1-10 Eq 400mg ew* (first cycle so Eq is still not set to be used)

wk 13-14 5000IU HCG + 20mg Novladex daily
wk 15 2500IU HCG + 20mg Nolvadex daily
wk 16-18 20mg Nolvadex daily

I would rather be safe than opting for surgery to remove gyno, so should I run Nolva throughout my cycle too? Some say keep it on hand and wait for symptoms, but I don't jive with that advice, I don't want to see tits and then say whoops.

Any advice?

Doc

**Rookiejay** · 09-09-2003, 08:59 AM

Just run 20mg throughout the cycle.

There are so many other benefits of running nolva ed. We've talked about this last week - in order for nolva to taper into your gains it has to be like 80mg+/day.

And the best benefit of all - it's better safe, than sorry.

**halifaxsteve** · 09-09-2003, 09:02 AM

i'm with you on not wanting my own tits, as much as i enjoy them.

personally i would get liquidex too, and run it at .25-.5mg/day, and nolva at 10mg ed during the cycle. or if running nolva only 20mg ED

PCT use clomid 300/100/50 as usual and nolva 20mg/day

also, HCG isn't really necessary with that cycle.

**DocHoliday** · 09-09-2003, 08:40 PM

I want HCG with that cycle because I really want my sex drive to faulter ZILTCH!

I was thinking maybe proviron throughout instead of Nolva. I'm not knowledged on liquidex. I know proviron is more expensive, but I like the idea of running an anti-e than just an e-blocker, plus the muscle hardening affect is much desired.

I also wasn't thinking of running clomid for my pct, just the hcg and nolva, but I might as well.

Doc

**halifaxsteve** · 09-10-2003, 07:43 AM

trust me, on 400mg of test/wk, you should not have any libido problems..

if you choose to run test only, start your PCT 2 weeks after your last shot.

liquidex or arimidex work but preventing aromitisation of test to estro...they just don't 'block' estro action like nolva...

for PCT, use the clomid 300/100/50 (3wks), and nolva 20mg/day

if you want to spend the money on HCG , it's your call, but i really don't feel it's necessary

**Rickson** · 09-10-2003, 07:57 AM

I don't think HCG is necessary on that cycle either but if you are going to use it then use it in weeks 11-12 and not 13-15. Run Nolva throughout Cycle and PCT and get clomid running the split halifax has above.

**DocHoliday** · 09-10-2003, 08:13 AM

I thought no matter what, there would be a lowered libido after a cycle. Hardest maybe by Deca , but nontheless you crash slightly. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking for PCT, except adding HCG , but like I said I was thinking of tossing the clomid, but I want to cover all the basis.

Ok, so how about this:
Proviron 3 weeks on 10 days off throughout my cycle
wk 10-15 Nolva 20mg daily
wk 12-15 Clomid (300/100/50)

Better?

Thanks guys.

Doc