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    Importance of HCG ??

    I'm trying to figure out if I need HCG on cycles longer than like 12 weeks. I allways run 50 mg clomid ed through the cycle or 10-20 mg nolva ed while on. Then i will do my actual clomid therapy post cycle.

    Whats your opinion on hcg during the cycle? Is it over kill? Is it a must?

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    You run clomid during a cycle?

    Anyway on longer cycles hcg is a must in my book. 2500iu * 2 every 6-7 week and i would also use it for PCT.
    Good read http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...threadid=59087

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    I absolutely agree HCG is a must... I don't believe there can ever be overkill when trying to restore your natural levels and keeping your gains. HCG does also inhibit your natural levels so you want to end HCG a few days before beginning clomid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by palme
    You run clomid during a cycle?

    Anyway on longer cycles hcg is a must in my book. 2500iu * 2 every 6-7 week and i would also use it for PCT.
    Good read http://anabolicreview.com/vbulletin/...threadid=59087
    I use the clomid during the cycles because It keep my boys hanging around. I think it also helps as an anti E and with water retention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigtraps
    I use the clomid during the cycles because It keep my boys hanging around. I think it also helps as an anti E and with water retention.
    I've done it @ 50mg eod myself and I have to agree that my boys don't atrophy too bad because of it.

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    It's been my experience that hcg is much more effective at maintaining testicular size and function throughout a cycle than clomid.

    500IU's 2x weekly (e.g., Wed. & Thrus.) has worked very well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenear
    It's been my experience that hcg is much more effective at maintaining testicular size and function throughout a cycle than clomid.

    500IU's 2x weekly (e.g., Wed. & Thrus.) has worked very well for me.
    The only concern I have about using HCG that much is desensitizing the body to LH. Are you talking using every week during your cycle or for 2-3 weeks in the middle?

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    SO... If I have a 3 month cycle... should I use HCG in the middle???

    In week 7-9? Alongside the other gear?

    About 2500Iu every week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    SO... If I have a 3 month cycle... should I use HCG in the middle???

    In week 7-9? Alongside the other gear?

    About 2500Iu every week?
    hijacked

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    I just read a great article on this over at basskiller. Rather than repeat it, I will direct you there (sorry, I don't know how to make a link). But it was quite informative. There was a good blurb on the effective non-inhibiting dosages and timing in there, along with general info. Hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by halifaxsteve
    hijacked
    Whaddaya mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jersey juice
    The only concern I have about using HCG that much is desensitizing the body to LH. Are you talking using every week during your cycle or for 2-3 weeks in the middle?
    I use it every week of the cycle, starting around week 4 if using long-acting meds. I think the Leydig cell damage issue has been overplayed. Check out the prescribing info for Pregnyl by Organon and you'll find some seriously heavy dosages and schedules recommended.

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    Some people use huge doses, like 2500 or even 5000 iu/1 day/wk which, it seems to me, would increase the likelihood of LH desensitivity -500iu/day for two days/week and a few days at the end worked well for me. The idea of HCG as I understand it is to avoid testicular shrinkage and it should only be used to prevent/correct it. If you don't get shrinkage, you shouldn't need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Natural
    Whaddaya mean?

    I would not say he "hi Jacked" the thread. The question is related to the topic and does not stray from the questions asked.

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