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    KeyMastur is offline VET
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    Next cycle - rough draft

    d-bol 1-4 37.5 - 50 mg's day (ref-b)
    test e 1 - 12 750 mg's week (QV enan 250)
    fina 7 - 14 75 mg's ED (home brew)
    winny 9 - 14 100 mg's EOD / 50 mg's ED (TT stan 100)

    nolva 20 mg's ED - PCT
    clomid PCT
    liquidex ED

    like i said, this is a rough draft. just throwing things on paper, but it's a basic outline of what i plan on running here in a month once i get things finalized. will need to sit down here once i get my shit done around the house before and look at things more in depth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur
    d-bol 1-4 40 - 50 mg's day (ref-b)
    test e 1 - 12 500 or 750 mg's week (QV enan 250)
    fina 7 - 13 75 mg's ED (home brew)
    winny 7 - 13 100 mg's EOD / 50 mg's ED (TT stan 100)

    nolva 20 mg's ED - PCT
    clomid PCT
    liquidex ED

    like i said, this is a rough draft. just throwing things on paper, but it's a basic outline of what i plan on running here in a month once i get things finalized. will need to sit down here once i get my shit done around the house before and look at things more in depth.

    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out

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    maybe make fina longer

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    Looks good to me. Those last 6 weeks are going to be a pain in the ass with all those injections. Why the dbol so high? i tried those ref-b they are 25mgs. i took one an' half. so it was about 37-38mgs. If i go any higher my headaches become unbearable. Aside from that this looks like what i want my next cycle to be. goodluck with it bro....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out
    Why would he only run the winny 5 weeks? Also with the fina it depends on how good your yield was with the "experiment" I don't know how much he made but most people who convert the 4g only get about 43-47ml out of it. so either way i suppose he will get close. i don't know though....just me rambling

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endurance
    Why would he only run the winny 5 weeks? Also with the fina it depends on how good your yield was with the "experiment" I don't know how much he made but most people who convert the 4g only get about 43-47ml out of it. so either way i suppose he will get close. i don't know though....just me rambling

    Thats not 5, it's six.- wk9, wk10, wk11, wk12, wk13, wk14

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    sorry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endurance
    Also with the fina it depends on how good your yield was with the "experiment" I don't know how much he made but most people who convert the 4g only get about 43-47ml out of it. so either way i suppose he will get close. i don't know though....just me rambling
    you're right, you don't know

    your math is wrong. with my 4 g yielding at least 42 cc's / 7 days a week = 6 weeks. give or take a few days if i'm unable to get the last few drops out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out
    I agree..... It will give the Enan enough time to be at it's lowest before starting PCT.

    Cycle looks good..... You should see very good lean gains from that... Good luck.

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    Damn, Just found my stashed gear that I didn't have with me on the road since I hid it last November - 4 bottles of QV enan left over, not just 3 like I was thinking before. Hmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out
    Done / Edited.....

    Had that in mind when I jotted it down. But was unsure how much test I had in my stash at home. Now I know....

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    Jack It Up Man!!

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    Now your doing 8wks of winny(according to the above), which personally I think is fine, but the norm wouldn't suggest it

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    Now I'm gettin myself confused here. Shit.

    Basically the winny will be ran alongside the Fina day for day. 50 mg ED. Maybe bump to 100 mg's last 2 weeks.

    Last time I ran it I used 100 mg EOD and saw very noticeable gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    Now your doing 8wks of winny(according to the above), which personally I think is fine, but the norm wouldn't suggest it
    Edited / Updated again...

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    what cycle # is this?
    reguardless, bump up the test to 750

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endurance
    Looks good to me. Those last 6 weeks are going to be a pain in the ass with all those injections. Why the dbol so high? i tried those ref-b they are 25mgs. i took one an' half. so it was about 37-38mgs. If i go any higher my headaches become unbearable. Aside from that this looks like what i want my next cycle to be. goodluck with it bro....
    BTW - my ref-b isn't tabs, it's liquid. 1 1/2 cc in gelcaps to start off with.

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    Now your only doing 6wks of Fina. I would do 8 of that. It takes about 3wks to even get going in me with strength hitting around wk 5-6

    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out

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    Quote Originally Posted by 956Vette
    what cycle # is this?
    reguardless, bump up the test to 750
    yeah, was planning on that. that also had to do with how much was in my stash here at home.

    # 4 i believe.

    last year at this time i ran :

    1-4 ref-b @ 1 1/2 cc's (~ 37.5 mgs)
    1-10 brovel test E @ 400 mg's every 4th day, bumped to 600 later on b/c i wasn't getting results like i wanted
    1-6 QV bold @ 400 mg's every 4th day - stopped taking this b/c i wasn't happy with it, plus one other reason which i'd rather not discuss openly
    7-12 100 mg's TT stan 100 EOD.

    nolva 20 mg for the first 4 weeks or so but then dropped that b/c i thought it was hindering my gains.

    clomid PCT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheedno
    Now your only doing 6wks of Fina. I would do 8 of that. It takes about 3wks to even get going in me with strength hitting around wk 5-6

    I'd put your Fina @ wks 7-14 and the winny wks9-14. PCT 3 days out
    where would i be without you ??

    so then i'll change my order and get a 6 g kit and 3 carts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur
    where would i be without you ??

    so then i'll change my order and get a 6 g kit and 3 carts...
    Just call me inspired utterance pertaining to those who have literary ignorance of that sitting in front of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyMastur
    ........
    test e 1 - 12 500 or 750 mg's week (QV enan 250)
    .......
    I was thinking......
    If we apply what we've learned in the past month from the University of Maryland study about the need to increasing the dose after 2 months.

    It'd make sense to
    1-7 500 mg
    8-12 - 750mg

    Just a thought.

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