2 years since last cycle

**jpmacco** · 09-25-2003, 11:31 PM

I have already completed two cycles and am ready to start my third but it has been two years since my last cycle. I'm wondering if I should start over on a novice type cycle (just loading up on winny, deca and EQ) since my receptors are fresh. I'm looking to gain about 15-20lbs of muscle.

My first cycle was primobolan and deca.

My second cycle consisted of primobolan, deca, sustanon , dianabol

Thanks!

**LightWeightBaby** · 09-26-2003, 12:19 AM

stats??

**jpmacco** · 09-26-2003, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by LightWeightBaby

stats??

5'10, 175lbs, 33yrs, 15%bf

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-26-2003, 10:42 AM

With your last cycles, were you happy with your results? Did you like the Sust? What doses did you take? How much weight did you gain?

**jersey juice** · 09-26-2003, 10:44 AM

IMO if you haven't cycled in 2 yrs your receptors should be cleaned out and ready to absorb anything you throw at it. If your happy with what you gain using mild doses I say do that. Why use more gear than necessary.

**jpmacco** · 09-26-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

With your last cycles, were you happy with your results? Did you like the Sust? What doses did you take? How much weight did you gain?

I made about a 20lb gain but lost most of it. I was pretty much a novice at the time and in retrospect did alot of stuff wrong, including not ending with the clomid/nolva combo at the end (whoops). Just took clomid. I didn't get gyno but my nipples perked up. I also became very tired by the end of it and couldn't workout as much. I was taking about 400-500mg of sust. per wk and about the same of deca . I don't remember the exact doses to be honest. I added some primoteston depot in there too.

I contracted Hepatitis A before taking the roids but made sure my enzyme levels were back to normal before beginning the cycle.

I'm a bit paranoid about liver damage since that Hep. period was awful and I wouldn't want to go through that again, so I'm more interested in taking stuff that poses little threat to the liver.

Thanks!

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-26-2003, 11:38 AM

Well, you will definitely want to say away from Any 17aa steroid (dbol , Winstrol , etc..)

I would say if your basically starting over, I would do something like this:

week 1-10 400/500mg of Test cyp or Enan
week 1-10 300/400mg of Deca .
(though I prefer EQ, but it looks like you have exp. with deca.)
Clomid thearpy a MUST

Remember to eat and get plenty of rest. Make sure your eating 1.5/2.0g of Protein per body weight.

Peace,

BLT

**jpmacco** · 09-26-2003, 11:46 AM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Well, you will definitely want to say away from Any 17aa steroid (dbol , Winstrol , etc..)

I would say if your basically starting over, I would do something like this:

week 1-10 400/500mg of Test cyp or Enan
week 1-10 300/400mg of Deca .
(though I prefer EQ, but it looks like you have exp. with deca.)
Clomid thearpy a MUST

Remember to eat and get plenty of rest. Make sure your eating 1.5/2.0g of Protein per body weight.

Peace,

BLT

Winstrol? I thought that was perfectly safe especially injectable?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-26-2003, 11:51 AM

If your worried about your liver, I wouldn't take it. And yes, it is a 17aa steroid . Do I think It will be an issue? Hmmm probably not, but again, if your worried, I'd stay away from it.

BLT

**n0_Genetics** · 09-26-2003, 11:55 AM

i guess most of the bros here don't do a clomid/nolva combo. most just do clomid, some may add some hcg , others who are feeling rich would throw in nolva & arimidex . very much goes down to what you think your body needs.

**jersey juice** · 09-26-2003, 12:07 PM

For PCT I would use HCG 3 weeks before you start so your body is kick starting before all the test leaves your system then run 20mg nolva through PCT with clomid @ 300/100/50. You can never overdo PCT, BTW don't overdo the HCG though if you decide to use it, the last thing you wanna do is desensitize your body to LH.

**jpmacco** · 09-26-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

If your worried about your liver, I wouldn't take it. And yes, it is a 17aa steroid . Do I think It will be an issue? Hmmm probably not, but again, if your worried, I'd stay away from it.

BLT

I'm confused. From what I have learned, Deca and Test. are much harder on the liver than Winny . http://anabolicreview.com/drugprofiles.php?steroid=87

Why are you advising to stay away from Winstrol ? Do you know something about it I don't?

Thanks

**Ntpadude** · 09-26-2003, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

I would say if your basically starting over, I would do something like this:

week 1-10 400/500mg of Test cyp or Enan
week 1-10 300/400mg of Deca .
(though I prefer EQ, but it looks like you have exp. with deca.)
Clomid thearpy a MUST
BLT

Thats exactly the cycle I am about to do for my first cycle, 10 weeks of 300 mg deca and 500 mg test enan.

I am planning to start this cycle late October and carry it thru until near Christmas I suppose, however long 10 weeks is. Is the Clomid that important? ALso I was reading something that Deca takes time to clear out of your body so it might be smart to end the deca a week before the Test Enan?? I suppose when you end the cycle, you want to get your body's testosterone production back into gear fast. I was thinking about some Tribulus and LongJack at cycle's end as well to help kick the natural stuff back into gear - or is that stuff just some more worthless snake oil sold at GNC??

What a joke, $80 bottle for worthless NO2 and another $80 for some sea algae labled as a Mysostatin blocker.

***asymmetrical1*** · 09-26-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by Ntpadude

Thats exactly the cycle I am about to do for my first cycle, 10 weeks of 300 mg deca and 500 mg test enan.

I am planning to start this cycle late October and carry it thru until near Christmas I suppose, however long 10 weeks is. Is the Clomid that important? ALso I was reading something that Deca takes time to clear out of your body so it might be smart to end the deca a week before the Test Enan?? I suppose when you end the cycle, you want to get your body's testosterone production back into gear fast. I was thinking about some Tribulus and LongJack at cycle's end as well to help kick the natural stuff back into gear - or is that stuff just some more worthless snake oil sold at GNC??

What a joke, $80 bottle for worthless NO2 and another $80 for some sea algae labled as a Mysostatin blocker.

yes end the deca 1-2 weeks earlier. dont rely on gnc for your pct. deca completely shuts down your testi axis so clomid is a must to get your test levels back to normal. it will take a month or better to do so. only reason i run deca is because i could'nt get my hands on eq

**keithquig** · 09-26-2003, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by jpmacco

I'm confused. From what I have learned, Deca and Test. are much harder on the liver than Winny . http://anabolicreview.com/drugprofiles.php?steroid=87

Why are you advising to stay away from Winstrol ? Do you know something about it I don't?

Thanks

i dont think deca and test are harder on the liver than winny. Although Testosterone is broken down through the liver, this compound is only slightly toxic when taken in a reasonable dose; therefore, changes of the liver values do not occur as often as with the oral I 7-alpha alkylated.