I am new to this....

**cyberdine** · 09-29-2003, 08:06 PM

hey guys...

Just curious about steriods and what to take. I am a thick guy 5'10 185, and I want to lean up and keep my muscle mass (I work out, but I have a high body fat ratio). I am thinking of going on a stack of Winstrol and Dbol , but I am curious about the side effects. How will it effect me if i take one cycle of it. what can i expect? will i loose my hair or shrink my balls or anything like that, or is that just with prolonged use? do you take estrogen blockers or liver detoxifiers or anything? what do I do exactly?

Thanks

**xxxl83** · 09-29-2003, 08:11 PM

Research and read through the educational threads you'll learn alot and answer most if not all of your own questions.

xxxl83

**Da Bull** · 09-29-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by cyberdine

hey guys...

Just curious about steriods and what to take. I am a thick guy 5'10 185, and I want to lean up and keep my muscle mass (I work out, but I have a high body fat ratio). I am thinking of going on a stack of Winstrol and Dbol , but I am curious about the side effects. How will it effect me if i take one cycle of it. what can i expect? will i loose my hair or shrink my balls or anything like that, or is that just with prolonged use? do you take estrogen blockers or liver detoxifiers or anything? what do I do exactly?

Thanks

Post up your cycle,the guys will be able to help you better.Most will say to throw in test e and use nolv.Tylers liver detox is used with success.Good Luck DB

**Dude-Man** · 09-29-2003, 08:47 PM

winny and dbol is not a good idea because both are l7-aa steroids , and thus are both liver toxic. You couldn't run them together for very long. It's probably best to choose another cycle.

**someday** · 09-29-2003, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

winny and dbol is not a good idea because both are l7-aa steroids, and thus are both liver toxic. You couldn't run them together for very long. It's probably best to choose another cycle.

.....and have a SPOT ON DIET and plenty of CARDIO....but that goes without saying really.

**monstercojones** · 09-29-2003, 10:01 PM

more importantly, what are your stats? bf%, age?

***JohnnyB*** · 09-29-2003, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by xxxl83

Research and read through the educational threads you'll learn alot and answer most if not all of your own questions.

xxxl83

This will help you, but your age would help us.

JohnnyB

**cyberdine** · 09-29-2003, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by someday

.....and have a SPOT ON DIET and plenty of CARDIO....but that goes without saying really.

I am 28yo, 5'10, 185, bf- probably close to 18%. I jog about 35 minutes a day, and I wieght train 5 x a week. My diet is ok, but could be better. Is there a routine that you boys suggest? How much wieght should I be pushing? I am strong, but not huge.

One guys said not to use Winstrol and Dbol together. If I take just Winstrol, will I lean up yet keep my muscle mass? I really want to lean up right now. More than anything else.

Thanks guys.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 09-30-2003, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by cyberdine

I am 28yo, 5'10, 185, bf- probably close to 18%. I jog about 35 minutes a day, and I wieght train 5 x a week. My diet is ok, but could be better. Is there a routine that you boys suggest? How much wieght should I be pushing? I am strong, but not huge.

One guys said not to use Winstrol and Dbol together. If I take just Winstrol, will I lean up yet keep my muscle mass? I really want to lean up right now. More than anything else.

Thanks guys.

Bro, Winstrol is mainly used at the end of ones cycle. I would not suggest a Winstrol only cycle, or a Winstrol/Dbol cycle. You will be very dissapointed. First you need to get your diet in check. No steroid in the world will get you big unless your diet is perfect. Remember, you should be eating close to 2.0g of protein per body weight a day. Since it's your first cycle, I would suggest you do some research about Test Cyp or Test enan, and make sure you research your Post cycle thearpy as well..