My first cycle

**bigdave91** · 10-06-2003, 01:09 PM

Sorry to keep throwing different cycles at you but the one i was fixed on was messed up by the fact i cant get EQ!

I wanted to get an experienced view on this cycle?
Durabolin 50mg every 2 days
Test Prop 50mg every 2 days
Winstrol tabs 20 mg every day
Clomid
nolva right the way through

Sorry but where i read about this cycle it didnt suggest a duration of the cycle. I was wondering if someone who know could point me in the right direction?

Cheers
Dave

age 23
160lbs (med problem made me lose a lot of weight)
lifting 3 yrs
250g protein per day

**TheMudMan** · 10-06-2003, 01:12 PM

For your first cycle run test with a long acting ester Like cyp or enan for 10 weeks.

***JohnnyB*** · 10-06-2003, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

For your first cycle run test with a long acting ester Like cyp or enan for 10 weeks.

Amen, save the others for down the road

JohnnyB

**bigdave91** · 10-06-2003, 01:20 PM

Thing is that i dont want as much water retention as i can avoid.

I want more quality and to be able to keep most of my gains rather than having loads of water retention like with enanth.

So if i was to stick with what i posted originally how should i run it?

Dave

**TheMudMan** · 10-06-2003, 01:27 PM

To cut down on the bloat use anti-e's in the cycle, drink 1.5 to 2 gallons of water a day, do cardio, watch sodium intake.....

Why would either of the 2 compounds I suggested not provide you with quality muscle? If anything these two should provide you with very good keepable gains.... It will be depended on your diet, training, rest, and PCT.

You never ran a cycle before so how will you know where sides are coming from if you do start getting them? Running a test only cycle will let you see how you respond to the test and to see if you will develop sides.

**bigdave91** · 10-06-2003, 01:32 PM

mudman

Im not saying i wont get any quality muscle with enanth but from what i read on the website, prop has considerably less water retention than enanthate and id get a greater amount of quality muscles with prop than with enanthate. That is what im looking for. As much quality muscles as i can get.

I plan on using Nolva all the way through the cycle.
thanks
Dave

**TheMudMan** · 10-06-2003, 01:41 PM

Then run a prop only cycle and inject it 50 or 75 mg ED. If everyday injections aren't good for you than go EOD 100 or 150mg. Save the rest of the gear for another cycle and use the nolva through the cycle at 10mg ED.

Remember this Test is Test...... some will make you retain some water.... some will not but in the end it's all the same so the results you get with this cycle you would have seen with a long acting ester cyle with less injections. Also the bloat goes away after the cycle is completed.

**bigdave91** · 10-06-2003, 01:44 PM

OK thanks

So if i stick with the prop EOD...
How long do i take it?
when and How long should i take the Durabolin and winstrol ?
Would you change any of the dosages?

Thanks in advance
Dave