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10-01-2003, 02:53 PM #1Associate Member
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its all OVER
well im in my 4 week of sus 500mg a week. For the past week my heart has been going supper fsat. like 95-100 all day. I went to the doctor yesterday but didn't tell him about the juice and my blood presure was a little high and we did that heart checking thing with all those wires on your body. He said that was a little high but I just can't take it anymore. It feels like my heart about to explode. After 4 weeks do i need to take clomid??
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10-01-2003, 03:11 PM #2Associate Member
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Good call bro! It's always best to keep your health as the #1 priority. You can always try less androgenous gear or smaller doses as long as you're still alive, LOL.
I wouldn't take any clomid in your condition because of the possibility of sides. Unfortunately, you're gonna have to ride this out a bit longer because of the 100mg testosterone deacanoate in the Sustanon . I would run 20mg of nolvadex for a few weeks starting 2-3 weeks from today.
Keep us informed with your progress!
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10-01-2003, 03:12 PM #3
Bro, same shit happened to me. I also went to the Dr and got a EKG done. It felt like my heart was skipping a beat,and when I laid down, It would pound through the floor. He told me I was fine. It's smart if you want to quit, but it also might have to do with freaking yourself out. After awhile, it seems to go away...
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10-01-2003, 03:14 PM #4Associate Member
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I can't even sleep at nights i dunno why
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10-01-2003, 03:18 PM #5Associate Member
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BLT, I honestly cannot believe I'm reading this. Not to be a dick, but you just experienced a tragic loss in your life that most likely was due to AAS usage and/or exo GH. You, above all people, should know that your health is not something to **** with. YOU may have underlying pathologies developing as a direct result from your use that do not show up on an EKG or blood tests. These drugs DO affect your physiology in ways that not any one person completely understands.
eshestun, you definitely made the right call to stop everything. Let your body get back to homeostasis and then consider trying something else, if anything at all. Man, I'll take living over dieing any day!
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10-01-2003, 03:21 PM #6Associate Member
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my last shot was on monday, so how long should I still fell like this??
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10-01-2003, 03:26 PM #7Associate Member
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Things should start to improve within the week. But that may be a bit optomistic. This is exactly the problem with the longer-acting meds. They stay with you for a very long time. Try not to consciously dwell on your sides because that will make matters worse.
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10-01-2003, 03:48 PM #8Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by eshestun
4 weeks is enough to suppress your natural test levels, but not by much. You will probably regain your natural test levels in a few weeks without clomid. If I were you, I'd save the clomid for later, in case you choose try another cycle.
You handled your situation well by going to the doctor when your body was giving you bad signals--congrats on using you head.
Hope you feel better soon.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 10-01-2003 at 03:50 PM.
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10-01-2003, 03:59 PM #9Originally Posted by goldenear
GoldenEar, I in no way was telling him NOT to quit. I think you misunderstood me and my post probably came out wrong. I think it's ABSOLUTLEY the best thing he could do. I was just telling him I had the same thing happen to me, but the good news with me is it went away. I applaud his decision. I saw my Dr. before, during and after my cycle. I am seeing him again tomorrow. I am still even wondering if I should do another cycle.Last edited by buylongterm; 10-01-2003 at 04:05 PM.
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10-01-2003, 04:05 PM #10
Same thing for me, I ran 750mgs a week of Tornels Super Shit 250 and had shortness of breath and felt like my heart was either beating real hard or skipping. Just wasn't right, Tornels sus is known for that so I stayed on and it went away around weeks 7-8, or I just got used to it. Good call though if you feel bad.
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10-01-2003, 04:09 PM #11Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL
But like most people have said, the best thing to do is listen to your OWN body, and make the right decision.
BLT
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10-01-2003, 04:18 PM #12Associate Member
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Originally Posted by buylongterm
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10-01-2003, 04:23 PM #13
Tachycardia is a heart rate (HR) greater than 100 beats per minute so you were borderline. Smokers tend to have HR in th 80s-90s. Are you a smoker or in poor cardiovascular condition? Either one combined with test could elevate your HR. What was your baseline HR before you started? Was it high? If so an increase into the 90s wouldn't seem unusual. Were you at risk? A normal EKG would suggest adequate perfusion to your heart muscle so probably not. It was a good idea to stop if you believed your body was not handling the stress of 500 mg of sustanon . If you consider getting back on stay away from sust and try lower doses of test enth or cyp which take longer to accumulate in your system. If you are able to tolerate that bump it up.
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10-01-2003, 04:23 PM #14Originally Posted by goldenear
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10-01-2003, 04:34 PM #15Member
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I did Sust250 twice....I hated every min. of it...shortness of breath was the worst...I felt like a fat guy after an all-u can eat...I was told by people I knew that Sust250 was so safe with little sides...bull shit...in my opinion there are much better AS out there that make you feel good and work a hell of alot better(Test Enth for one).
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10-01-2003, 05:06 PM #16Associate Member
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Guys, we're talking about testosterone here. It doesn't matter if it comes from Sustanon or Enanthate , Cyp, or Propio. Once the ester is removed, the testosterone compound from any of those products will exert exactly the same physiological effect. The only thing that varies between the products, all things being held equal, is the delay between injection and bioavailability caused by the ester (and any pooling at the injection site <--- irrelevant to my point). markas214 hinted at this in his post. It's TIMING. Timing of the release of testo from the ester will affect the true dose that is hitting your physiology at any given point in time.
Trying to figure out Sustanon can be very confusing because of the 4-ester blend. That doesn't mean you won't run into problems with a single esterified product, though. It's always best to start low and adjust the dose if required. Because once you put it in, you can't get it back, LOL.
I think people underestimate the value that true anabolics like Deca bring to the table. It's my opinion that most of these problems listed in this thread are directly related to the androgenicity of testo. That's all I'll say - I've got to go eat.
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10-01-2003, 05:07 PM #17Associate Member
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Originally Posted by markas214
not really a smoker, just here and there. My hr was normal before the sus. I don't really run a lot cause im trying to bulk.Last edited by eshestun; 10-01-2003 at 05:09 PM.
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10-01-2003, 05:31 PM #18Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by buylongterm
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10-01-2003, 08:07 PM #19
you made a good call on stopping. let things get back to normal before you decide to do any thing else.
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10-02-2003, 08:20 AM #20
BTW, did you tell your Dr. what you were taking?
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10-02-2003, 10:41 AM #21Associate Member
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Originally Posted by buylongterm
nah, hes a family freind, so he might run his mouth.Can i take anything or do something to clam me down?
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10-02-2003, 10:57 AM #22
It is your body and you should definetely make the decision. I do want to point out that these sides are common to almost everyone who does AAS. An increase in BP and increase in heart rate along with sleeplessness are experience by most people at some point during a cycle. Deca in my opinion is the worst for elevating BP. A good anti-e and clean diet can help some but if these sides are unacceptable to you then AAS probably is not something you should consider in the future. I personally would use clomid after bein on sus for four weeks.
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10-02-2003, 01:27 PM #23
Looking back I've always wondered how much of the sides I had like elevated resting pulse were due to gear or just my own anxieties about using the stuff for the first time. I still haven't figured it out. I know if I did a shot in the evening I had trouble sleeping not from the gear but just from the adrenalin from giving myself a shot -I had to stop doing them late in the day for that reason.
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10-02-2003, 02:24 PM #24Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by eshestun
I think doctors are more with it then you believe and can understand the motivations for a man to want to try steroids . Maybe you should lower dose some, also it would help if you talk to doctor and ask for prescription for valium. Valium is "for" anxiety and also lowers heart rate, etc, you'll get some sleep, etc. Tell doctor its temporary and only want it for while on cycle.
Otherwise you can go to GNC/Health food store and purchase some valarium root extract, this is what valium is made from. Have to pop like 5 or 6 of those things to be equivalent to valium but I think it would help calm you down some.
I was complaining about all that anxiety in past messages, well neighbor gave me a valium and wow! Slept like a baby, no anxiety last night about up coming start of my cycle, actually it helped break me of the anxiety and feeling much better today.Last edited by Ntpadude; 10-02-2003 at 02:28 PM.
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10-02-2003, 04:27 PM #25
I think that's Valerian Root, isn't it?
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10-02-2003, 04:38 PM #26New Member
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I´ve had some serious problems with my heart rate.. I´ve had 114 per minute when relaxing and shortness of breath and it got worse because I was just paranoid, so I just relaxed and cleared my mind and that only got rid of my problems. Still doing sus and feeling fine.
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10-02-2003, 05:12 PM #27
i agree with alot of the people that say it just may be nervousness... i have had alot of time when i was using pain pills and shrooms and thought i may have had to much and my heart would beat fast as hell and i couldnt sleep.. but it was all in my head
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10-02-2003, 07:57 PM #28Associate Member
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I see what you guys are saying. IT kinda is in my mind but it always comes back. My hearts still racing and Im having some chest pain here and there. im going to give it a day or so more.
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10-02-2003, 08:12 PM #29Originally Posted by eshestun
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10-03-2003, 05:28 AM #30
I had the same thing also. Shortness of breath, fast heart rate, night sweats (only for a week at about week 7) Couldnt sleep (two weeks during 7-8)
I knew it wasnt normal but I rode it out. If it got worse then it would have concerned me. It stayed stable then disipated.
My logic is: Fast heartbeat. I got on the tread mill and made it go faster. If it was gonna get worse I made sure my body was used to it. I had to see how much my body could handle if it did get worse.
But like everyone else says "you know your body"
Some people have better genetics and can handle different stress on their body.
Some people just are genetically built for some things.
STAY SAFE BRO...
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10-03-2003, 07:18 AM #31Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by markas214
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10-03-2003, 07:21 AM #32Banned
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Originally Posted by eshestun
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10-03-2003, 02:01 PM #33
The big problem I see here is the fact that he went to his doc, but didn't tell him about the AAS use. How in the hell is he supposed to help if he doesn't have all the information available. If your car was making strange noises and you took it to a mechanic but didn't tell him what you may have done to cause it, would he be able to easily diagnose and fix the problem? Probably not. If you're not gonna tell the doc what you did to get you here, then it is a wasted trip IMO.
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10-03-2003, 10:22 PM #34Associate Member
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well jus came back from the doc again. I told him I have pain and I told him I was on test. I told him im having pain and not sleeping and he did some tests and said im ok. For sleeping he said take some benadrel.
My last shot of sus was on monday so I hope everything clears soon
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10-03-2003, 10:26 PM #35
I'm glad you went to your DR. and was honest with him....Remember, EVERYONE is different. Just because things were OK with myself and other guys, I'm sure EVERYONE on here wants to make sure your OK. Listen to your body and do whats best for you!!!!
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