70 year old on oral cycle

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10-14-2003, 12:26 PM
depdaddy

70 year old on oral cycle

just curious..i have client who has been training with me for a year now..he just turned 70 but looks like hes in his mid 50s..have come a long way with him ..but now hes getting disapointed..his wife is in her 40s and she does not want him to take gear...he said he could get away with oral cycle..i was considering getting him some var but wouldnt know how to dose at this age...possibly small amount of d-bol..hes in excellent health..all lab values were in excellent range last month..he trains with me 5 days week and does 4 hours week of cardio..any suggestions would be great
10-14-2003, 12:28 PM
seventy7

damn i hope i'm in that good of shape at that age
10-14-2003, 12:33 PM
Testify

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Originally Posted by seventy7

damn i hope i'm in that good of shape at that age

No shit. Lifting 5 days, and four hours of cardio a week? This guy is hardcore!
10-14-2003, 12:41 PM
realityarts

I know what I am about to say is not going to be what you are looking for -- I apologize.

My personal opinion is that you should not help him with AS. You seem like you care about him and want to help him - this is admirable.

I guess I'm just thinking about him having a medical complication that takes his life, and you will have to live with being a part of that - perhaps in more ways than one. You will obviously feel bad, plus there could be an investigation (if that were to happen) that could make a link to you -- playing an active role...

You can simply ignore me -- I just thought I'd post my opinion - no harm meant.

Peace,

RA
10-14-2003, 12:43 PM
BDTR

At his age, unless it's HRT, i wouldn't advise a 70 year old to administer any AAS unless it was under EXTREME doctor supervision. That's getting into dangerous teratory.
10-14-2003, 12:50 PM
depdaddy

i was thinking the same..im scared to get it for him..he has always taken care of me in the past when i needed something..he either got it for me or found the person who could.(landscaping/fence/etc..).would never want to cause harm to him which is why i asked first
10-14-2003, 02:29 PM
50%Natural

Yeah, that seems risky but I know that anavar can be used to treat children. I don't know if they are as sensitive to aas as a 70 year old but it is anavar. I would check with a doctor about this. Anavar is one of the safest steroids one could take but at 70 years old. I don't know. I would alos say that dbol at 70 is a bit extreme. Don't give him that.
10-14-2003, 02:32 PM
D3m3nt3d

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Originally Posted by bdtr

At his age, unless it's HRT, i wouldn't advise a 70 year old to administer any AAS unless it was under EXTREME doctor supervision. That's getting into dangerous teratory.

lmao @ bdtr saying someone else is in "dangerous territory" :lol:
10-14-2003, 02:34 PM
BDTR

Hey i'm a responsible steroid user who believes in low safe dosages for short peroids of time. I dont know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by D3m3nt3d

lmao @ bdtr saying someone else is in "dangerous territory" :lol:
10-14-2003, 02:44 PM
dizzle

Growth Hormone is expensive as hell, but at his age, it could be the fountain of youth. As bdtr said, he needs to be under extreme doctor supervision.
10-14-2003, 02:55 PM
MBaraso

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Originally Posted by bdtr

Hey i'm a responsible steroid user who believes in low safe dosages for short peroids of time. I dont know what you're talking about.

Yeah okkkk bdtr :lol:

In all seriousness though...I give the guy huge props for working out that much at his age but I think this is something he should talk over with his Dr.
10-14-2003, 02:57 PM
JohnnyB

I'd have him go to his Doc and get blood work done he could get some test(hrt) and maybe some hgh. I thnik that would be what he'd need.

JohnnyB
10-14-2003, 02:57 PM
Carlos_E

Just my 2 cents.... To big of a risk at 70.
10-14-2003, 02:59 PM
JohnnyB

Here's a study that has 60 year olds in it, it is Dr supervised.

Oral anabolic steroid treatment, but not parenteral androgen treatment, decreases abdominal fat in obese, older men.

Lovejoy JC, Bray GA, Greeson CS, Klemperer M, Morris J, Partington C, Tulley R.

Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 70808-4124, USA.

OBJECTIVE: To compare the effects of testosterone enanthate (TE), anabolic steroid (AS) or placebo (PL) on regional fat distribution and health risk factors in obese middle-aged men undergoing weight loss by dietary means.

DESIGN: Randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial, carried out for 9 months with primary assessments at 3 month intervals. Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point.

SUBJECTS: Thirty healthy, obese men, aged 40-60 years, with serum testosterone (T) levels in the low-normal range (2-5 ng/mL).

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES: Abdominal fat distribution and thigh muscle volume by CT scan, body composition by dual energy X-ray absorptiometry (DEXA), insulin sensitivity by the Minimal Model method, blood lipids, blood chemistry, blood pressure, thyroid hormones and urological parameters.

RESULTS: After 3 months, there was a significantly greater decrease in subcutaneous (SQ) abdominal fat in the ASOX group compared to the TE and PL groups although body weight changes did not differ by treatment group. There was also a tendency for the ASOX group to exhibit greater losses in visceral fat, and the absolute level of visceral fat in this group was significantly lower at 3 months than in the TE and PL groups. There were significant main effects of treatment at 3 months on serum T and free T (increased in the TE group and decreased in the ASOX group) and on thyroid hormone parameters (T4 and T3 resin uptake significantly decreased in the ASOX group compared with the other two groups). There was a significant decrease in HDL-C, and increase in LDL-C in the ASOX group, which led to their being switched to the parenteral nandrolone decanoate (ASND) after 3 months. ASND had opposite effects on visceral fat from ASOX, producing a significant increase from 3 to 9 months while continuing to decrease SQ abdominal fat. ASND treatment also decreased thigh muscle area, while ASOX treatment increased high muscle. ASND reversed the effects of ASOX on lipoproteins and thyroid hormones. The previously reported effect of T to decrease visceral fat was not observed, in fact, visceral fat in the TE group increased slightly from 3 to 9 months, although SQ fat continued to decrease. Neither TE nor AS treatment resulted in any change in urologic parameters.

CONCLUSIONS: Oral oxandrolone decreased SQ abdominal fat more than TE or weight loss alone and also tended to produce favorable changes in visceral fat. TE and ASND injections given every 2 weeks had similar effects to weight loss alone on regional body fat. Most of the beneficial effects observed on metabolic and cardiovascular risk factors were due to weight loss per se. These results suggest that SQ and visceral abdominal fat can be independently modulated by androgens and that at least some anabolic steroids are capable of influencing abdominal fat.

JohnnyB
10-14-2003, 03:00 PM
Cycleon

at 70 his doc will give him a script and maybe insurance will cover it - just make sure he doesnt have cancerous possibilities - thats the docs job
10-14-2003, 09:50 PM
Ntpadude

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Originally Posted by depdaddy

just curious..i have client who has been training with me for a year now..he just turned 70 but looks like hes in his mid 50s..have come a long way with him ..but now hes getting disapointed..his wife is in her 40s and she does not want him to take gear...he said he could get away with oral cycle..i was considering getting him some var but wouldnt know how to dose at this age...possibly small amount of d-bol..hes in excellent health..all lab values were in excellent range last month..he trains with me 5 days week and does 4 hours week of cardio..any suggestions would be great

Someone in their 70's might not be able to tollerate the high blood pressure and other effects of steroids...also if he has a cancer cell somewhere, testosterone cause to grow like crazy... I'd send him to doctor for a professional opinion. If you get involved getting some black market item for him and it goes bad for him, the wife will be a loose cannon and bring lots of trouble for you.
10-14-2003, 10:02 PM
custom fit

Dizzle has a good point with hgh. There are studies that mention hgh with elderly people have beneficial responses both medical (internal organs) and superficial-for a lack of a better word (muscle, looks).
10-15-2003, 10:32 AM
jersey juice

Just an fyi because I was on HRT... his doc would most likely give him androgel, have him ask his doc about that. I know that they are trying to get away from just dishing out injections. Although it really has no use for muscle building, at 70 as long as his doc ok's it & monitors him that would make him feel like he's 30 again... ok maybe 50 but still. And my insurance covered it so that isn't a problem... they come in boxes with a 30 day supply. No need to put him or yourself in jeopardy when his doc can just write him a script.
10-15-2003, 11:43 AM
JohnnyB

If he pushed it he could get injection, my Dr ask if I minded injection, I said no and he gave me a script. Upjohn 200mg/ml cypionate

JohnnyB
10-15-2003, 11:49 AM
The Butcher

I'm with JB on this one. Go to doc and get hrt script. Growth as well if he'll do it.

Interesting study, by the way, JB.
10-15-2003, 11:50 AM
chicamahomico

Fuck AS at his age.....if he has the cash tell him to have a doc put him on GH therapy. Much better for geezers.
10-15-2003, 11:57 AM
JohnnyB

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Originally Posted by chicamahomico

Fuck AS at his age.....if he has the cash tell him to have a doc put him on GH therapy. Much better for geezers.

A little test wouldn't hurt :wg: with those 2 his 40 year old wife will be in trouble :dg:

JohnnyB
10-15-2003, 12:02 PM
goldenear

I also completely agree with JB.

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Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Due to adverse blood lipid changes, the AS group was switched from oral oxandrolone (ASOX) to parenteral nandrolone decaoate (ASND) after the 3 month assessment point.

This is exactly why ox would be a terrible choice for this guy. JB, thanks for digging up this study. I've referenced it before in a few threads but haven't had the chance to document its location.
10-15-2003, 12:10 PM
RON

JB and Cycle are right. He should have no problems getting a script for it at his age. Plus his doctor will supervise it all to make it safer
10-15-2003, 01:25 PM
usualsuspect

Lol all he needs now is some viagra and he'll be a 70 yr old porn star overnight.
10-15-2003, 04:45 PM
chicamahomico

I think, in the general case, older people are better off with GH than AS. His doc needs to determine what's right for him. Only drawback to GH is $$$, dunno what it runs in the USA but in Canada a therapeutic dose is about $300-350 a month.