clomid+nolva only

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10-15-2003, 10:17 AM
like2juice

clomid+nolva only

I'm going to run

test cyp 400mg weeks 1-10
Oxandrolone 40mg each day weeks 1-5

I don't think I can get hold of HCG, will I be ok just running clomid+nolva 3 weeks after last shot of test ?

Thanks.
10-15-2003, 10:51 AM
50%Natural

yes sir
10-15-2003, 12:46 PM
JohnnyB

I'd start 2 weeks after last shot with cyp or enan

JohnnyB
10-15-2003, 12:53 PM
TheMudMan

You will be fine with Clomid/Nolva for PCT HCG will not be needed. With Cyp I start PCT 3 weeks and Enan 2 weeks after last injection. You might want to run nolva through the cycle at 10mg ED and then when starting PCT go to 20mg. JMO on all these points I brought up :dg:
10-15-2003, 01:18 PM
JohnnyB

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

You will be fine with Clomid/Nolva for PCT HCG will not be needed. With Cyp I start PCT 3 weeks and Enan 2 weeks after last injection. You might want to run nolva through the cycle at 10mg ED and then when starting PCT go to 20mg. JMO on all these points I brought up :dg:

Bro I'm curious as to why 3 weeks with cyp the half life is about the same as enan.

JohnnyB
10-15-2003, 01:23 PM
TheMudMan

Cyp has a half life of 17 to 21 days and Enan is 10 to 14 days
10-15-2003, 03:34 PM
like2juice

Hmmm never knew cyp had a longer half life than enanthate.

Yeah I am considering running nolv at 10mg a day throughout the cycle, even though some say it hinders gains.
10-15-2003, 05:37 PM
TheMudMan

Quote:

Originally Posted by like2juice

Hmmm never knew cyp had a longer half life than enanthate.

Yeah I am considering running nolv at 10mg a day throughout the cycle, even though some say it hinders gains.

Do some research and you will see that cyp does have a longer half-life.

Also nolva will not hinder your gains. That's for any anti-e.
10-15-2003, 05:55 PM
realityarts

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Cyp has a half life of 17 to 21 days and Enan is 10 to 14 days

Yep, the cyp ester-chain is a wee-bit longer.
10-15-2003, 08:26 PM
JohnnyB

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Cyp has a half life of 17 to 21 days and Enan is 10 to 14 days

Bro where did you get this from, I've looked around and they all say the half is the same as enan. I found one that said 15-16 days.

JohnnyB
10-15-2003, 08:30 PM
TheMudMan

I will look and post it for you........... but I have gotten it from here AR from other Vet's and such. Pheedno also has stated this to be the case as well.
10-15-2003, 09:11 PM
JohnnyB

Thanks Bro

JohnnyB
10-16-2003, 08:41 AM
Pheedno

The reason for the difference in half life is that Enan has one less carbon atom than cyp, and since the molecualr weight is reduced, the rate at which the test molecule is transfered from the lipid environment to the blood is sped up.
10-16-2003, 08:54 AM
JohnnyB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pheedno

The reason for the difference in half life is that Enan has one less carbon atom than cyp, and since the molecualr weight is reduced, the rate at which the test molecule is transfered from the lipid environment to the blood is sped up.

To the point that it'd clear the system at the same rate as EQ?

JohnnyB
10-16-2003, 09:13 AM
Pheedno

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

To the point that it'd clear the system at the same rate as EQ?

JohnnyB

Actually, now that I've been prompted to clear the cob webs and actually consider the common Test esters to other commons for different compounds, it would make cense for the Cyp to exit the system faster than EQ. The undecylenate ester has 3 more carbon atoms than the cyp. ester, so the rate of exchange from lipids to blood for the Cyp would be considerably faster.
On the other note Test(or Dura) Decanoate would be a closer comaprison to Cyp as it's one carbon atom in difference.

So I suppose for precesion purposes, it would go something like:
Enan 11-14
Cyp 13-15
Dec 15-18
Und 18-21

Now I suppose the proccess would be individualistic, but that would have to be close to the example

Just goes to show, revelations can come everyday. I decided on running my test past all other compounds a while back for recovery purposes, but if one was to try and time a close to exact taper, then you could treat Enan and Cyp close tot he same.