i need help from the pros

**pb2xtreme1** · 05-17-2004, 05:42 AM

hey guys, please help me out. i am in thailand and i am starting my next cycle in two weeks. i want to get shredded. i really want to use parabolan and anavar . i also wanted to use winni, maybe not at the same time because they are both AA17. then finish up with some clen . should i use some test also? i dont want acne. i know i might get a little but for the profiles for parabolan, winni, anavar, they say little or no acne. please help me out guys.
6'1"
205
13% bodyfat
4 years lifting
2 finished cycles.
all your advise would be great help guys.
thanks
much appreciated!1

**usualsuspect** · 05-17-2004, 07:18 AM

I'm no pro but here's my take. The profile's are pretty much useless and outdated. Diet and cardio will get you ripped, not aas. Acne is different for everyone. I broke out like crazy on a cycle with no test and had zero sides on a cycle that included test. What cycles have you used in the past?

By the way, test is a must!

**pb2xtreme1** · 05-17-2004, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by usualsuspect

I'm no pro but here's my take. The profile's are pretty much useless and outdated. Diet and cardio will get you ripped, not aas. Acne is different for everyone. I broke out like crazy on a cycle with no test and had zero sides on a cycle that included test. What cycles have you used in the past?

By the way, test is a must!

okay usual here is a little more info. i have the last cycle i completed was a sustanon /boldenon cycle. i was very happy with my results. i know that aas will not get me ripped, i guess i stated wrong. but naturally the more muscle i have the more fat i am going to burn. i dont need to be absoulutly shredded but i guess you could say i want to gain quality muscle, not so much water retention. so please somebody help me out on my next cycle. i really am set on running parabolan .
here is what i am thinking please let me know what you guys think.
wk 1-8 parabolan 228 mg/week
wk1-5 anavar 30 mg/day
wk 1-10 test en 500mg/week
wk 8-12 winni oral 50mg ed or e2d?
and finally clen maybe 2 weeks on and two off?

i can get anything else that i might need or you might suggest. please help i start soon.
thanks for everything

**Roidaholic** · 05-18-2004, 01:18 AM

I disagree, i think that test is a great base for most cycles. But i also think tren can be used as a base for a good cutting cycle. If you are gonna use para, var, and winny, heres what id do...

Para 228mg/week Weeks 1-10
Anavar 30-40mg/day Weeks 1-12 (or as long as you can afford it)
Winstrol oral 50mg/day Weeks 7-12

Honestly id rather shoot the winstrol, but oral is fine too. And theres is really no reason to run cycles with 4 drugs. So if you decide to add the test, id drop the winstrol. My favorite cutting cycle of all time is test prop/tren acetate/var for 12 weeks. Have a blast, if its all legit gear, its gonna make you feel real nice =)

Roid

**BWhitaker** · 05-18-2004, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by Roidaholic

I disagree, i think that test is a great base for most cycles. But i also think tren can be used as a base for a good cutting cycle. Roid

Im very inclined to disagree with you. Yes, you could use tren as a base but test is so much better. Using tren as a base could be detrimental to you libido since you will be shut down very hard among other reasons such as gains retention. Test is what the body likes...stick to that as a base.

**Roidaholic** · 05-18-2004, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by BWhitaker

Im very inclined to disagree with you. Yes, you could use tren as a base but test is so much better. Using tren as a base could be detrimental to you libido since you will be shut down very hard among other reasons such as gains retention. Test is what the body likes...stick to that as a base.

I can understand that, a lot of people disagree with me about not using test. But i retain more with tren than with test...as well as most everyone i know. And while tren shuts you down hard, im not one who cycles for increased libido, i do it for muscle gains. Cialis takes care of the rest

But, as i stated above, i never run a cycle without test. I am simply saying it can be done with a good amount of success.

Roid

**pb2xtreme1** · 05-18-2004, 06:30 AM

hey guys i really appreciate this info. it is so great to have some insight. so what do you think if i ran anavar , test e, and parabolan ?

do you think i should run winni at all? i could inject it thats no problem, i love to inject!!!!

**pb2xtreme1** · 05-18-2004, 06:46 AM

thanks man. so if i drop the winni and add test, should i start test right off the bat? same as para? and do i need to use liquidex as well as nolvadex ?
i guess what im saying is do you think this would be a good cycle?
wk1-10 para 228mg/wk
wk1-10test e 500mg/wk
wk1-10 anavar 30-40mg/day
what about nolvadex? liquidex?
roidaholic and b whitaker i wonder if you would both agree with this cycle? or do you have any suggestions?
thanks a bunch guys!!!

**Roidaholic** · 05-18-2004, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by pb2xtreme1

thanks man. so if i drop the winni and add test, should i start test right off the bat? same as para? and do i need to use liquidex as well as nolvadex ?
i guess what im saying is do you think this would be a good cycle?
wk1-10 para 228mg/wk
wk1-10test e 500mg/wk
wk1-10 anavar 30-40mg/day
what about nolvadex? liquidex?
roidaholic and b whitaker i wonder if you would both agree with this cycle? or do you have any suggestions?
thanks a bunch guys!!!

Yeah i like that a lot. My only suggestion, which really isn't that big a deal, is why not switch to test prop? Less water retention than test enth. You seem like youre more after a lean mass cycle/cutting cycle, so why not stick with drugs most commonly used for cutting? Not that you cant cut with test enth, its just a bit easier with prop.

Roid