Test/Deca/Dbol-- when to start winny?

[monkeyjuice]

Cycle
Weeks 1-4 25mg Dbol ed
Weeks 1-10 500mg Test
Weeks 1-10 400mg Deca

Weeks 13 50mg Clomid ed
Weeks 14-15 25mg Clomid ed


I want to add some winny tabs to the end of this cycle. I was just wondering what week to start the winny tabs.

I was thinking to run the winny from:

Weeks 8-12 50mg Winny ed

Does this sound OK?
How would you rate this cycle?

[Madmax]

weeks 8-13 @50mg ed...MM

[dizzle]

yep, just like madmax said.

[TheMudMan]

Cycle
Weeks 1-4 25mg Dbol ed
Weeks 1-10 500mg Test
Weeks 1-10 400mg Deca

Weeks 13 50mg Clomid ed
Weeks 14-15 25mg Clomid ed


I want to add some winny tabs to the end of this cycle. I was just wondering what week to start the winny tabs.

I was thinking to run the winny from:

Weeks 8-12 50mg Winny ed

Does this sound OK?
How would you rate this cycle?

Running your PCT like they will most likely leave you shut down and not recovered. Deca is hard on HPTA and you need to run PCT for at least 4 weeks.... Why not run clomid at 300/100/50?

[Madmax]

you know something, i am becomming a firm believer in running hcg
when running deca . its so fucking hard on your nuts..why take the chance
you might want to run that weeks 14-15 @ 500 iu daily...MM

[Pheedno]

Personally, i'd run the test a few wks past the Deca allowing for the Deca to exit the sytem early. this would make recovery much easier.

Say test to 12wks, start winny @wk10-15. Clomid 2 days out.

Also, MM is right on with the PCT suggestion. the 300mg load for the first day is used so that cosistant plasma levels can be reached quicker. Clomid having a half0life of 5-7 days, it take 4-5x that length to reach steady plasma levels. By using the 300/100/50 method, you cut that time down, thus speeding recovery

[monkeyjuice]

Personally, i'd run the test a few wks past the Deca allowing for the Deca to exit the sytem early. this would make recovery much easier.

Say test to 12wks, start winny @wk10-15. Clomid 2 days out.

Also, MM is right on with the PCT suggestion. the 300mg load for the first day is used so that cosistant plasma levels can be reached quicker. Clomid having a half0life of 5-7 days, it take 4-5x that length to reach steady plasma levels. By using the 300/100/50 method, you cut that time down, thus speeding recovery

when you say 300/100/50

do you mean 300mg first day, 100mg second day, then 50mg everyday after that for 4 weeks?

[TheMudMan]

when you say 300/100/50

do you mean 300mg first day, 100mg second day, then 50mg everyday after that for 4 weeks?

You can run it like this I like to use Nolvadex and Clomid together to help with recovery

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

[monkeyjuice]

You can run it like this I like to use Nolvadex and Clomid together to help with recovery

Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

sounds good, i think i will do that. What do you think of running HCG too during the cycle? the only thing is, i have a hard time getting ahold of HCG, so do you think it is necessary? or would the clomid and nolva do the job?

[TheMudMan]

You could run it but I think if you follow the PCT you will be ok........ I think if you were running deca longer then you would need it to help with recovery.

[Pheedno]

HCG wouldn't hurt, but it's not neccessary for the length of time your on. The Clomid/Nolva combo should work well.

[monkeyjuice]

HCG wouldn't hurt, but it's not neccessary for the length of time your on. The Clomid/Nolva combo should work well.

i posted a couple threads about my cycle before, everyone said it was good. But now i realize how big of a deal PCT is, this thread has helped me more i think than anything ihave read about PCT. my pct was was all wrong. good thing i asked the members of AR or I would be pretty upset with my post-cycle loss of gains.

THANKS ALOT!


o yea, what kind of gains should i expect with proper diet? do i run a calorie deficet while on the winny alone, when the test and deca is over? becuase i know test is still in your system for 3 weeks after last shot.

AGE: 22
WEIGHT: 175

GOAL: 200

[TheMudMan]

Don't drop your calories until a few weeks after PCT.... That way you're sure that you're recoverd and will not get catabolic.

[monkeyjuice]

Don't drop your calories until a few weeks after PCT.... That way you're sure that you're recoverd and will not get catabolic.

I am going to shot 200mg Deca & 250mg of Test Every 3 Days. IS THIS OK? OR is there a better method?

[TheMudMan]

U will be running 600mg of Deca and 750mg of test a week. How many cycles you have under your belt? You can inject E3D but leave the dosages the way they u had them or you can inject 2 x a week say Mon and Thur.

[monkeyjuice]

U will be running 600mg of Deca and 750mg of test a week. How many cycles you have under your belt? You can inject E3D but leave the dosages the way they u had them or you can inject 2 x a week say Mon and Thur.

I am goign to go with the 2x a week method, say mon and thur. thats is what i sorta meant by E3D.