Thread: first cycle help
11-06-2003, 04:25 PM #1
first cycle help
Ok let me give u my stats really quick. 58' 170 12-15%bf. 21 yrs old. I've been working out for a few years now and have though about AS before, but decided to wait til i'm 21 which i am now. my goal is to bulk up then cut. This is what i roughly have in mind.
week 1-10 EQ 400mg/wk
week 2-11 test e. 500mg/wk
week 5-11 winny ?/wk
week 13 start pct
week 1-11 nolva 10mg ed
nolva - 20mg ed during pct
Now i was thinkin of maybe throwing some dbol in there or liquidex or something. This is a pretty vague outline, but if u could help me fill in the blanks or set me straight on something, i would really apprecitate it.
Last edited by kahn; 11-06-2003 at 04:27 PM.
11-06-2003, 04:30 PM #2
And one more question to go along with that. Should i take winny in the pill or shot form? thanx
11-06-2003, 04:32 PM #3
You don't need that many compounds in your first cycle. EQ should be ran minimum of 12 weeks to see results. Out of the EQ and Winny I would drop the winny.
week 1-12 EQ 400mg/wk
week 1-13 test e. 500mg/wk
week 1-15 nolva 10mg ed
Start PCT 3 weeks after last injection of EQ
Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 2 - 11 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
Day 12 - 21 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
11-06-2003, 04:33 PM #4
Cant bulk and cut at same time. IMO I would bulk and then cut, but some people like to cut and then bulk from their lean muscle. Your choice.
11-06-2003, 04:38 PM #5
Just to add to Mudman's post, throw 35-40mgs of dianbol in the first 3 weeks to "jumpstart" you. All else looks good.
11-06-2003, 04:46 PM #6
I think orals would be better for a second cycle, especially considering that he is already running a few compounds in this one already, and I think many will support me on this. Heck, you probobly don't even need the EQ, and just run 500mg of a long acting test like you already are planning, and like Mudman said, don't forget clomid.
11-06-2003, 04:52 PM #7
Well, no one's addressed teh issue of you discontinuing your Nolva...DON'T.
Run nolva the entire time until PCT is finished.
11-06-2003, 04:56 PM #8Originally Posted by DocHoliday
11-06-2003, 05:04 PM #9
The time it is going to take for the test and eq to kick in will be about 3 weeks give or take a couple of days so I would like to see something sooner. 35mgs of dbol is not going to hurt anybody, all it will do is give him a jump on the test an eq. I love the effect of dbol and start all my cycles with that or anadrol .
11-06-2003, 05:10 PM #10Originally Posted by TheMudMan
4 years of college, congrats Doc....shithead.
11-06-2003, 06:05 PM #11
ok, so u guys are saying to run the nolva from day 1 to the last day of pct?
11-06-2003, 06:07 PM #12
one more question, how should i split up the injections?
11-07-2003, 06:48 AM #13Originally Posted by kahn
11-07-2003, 12:44 PM #14
you guys rock, thanx a lot for the info
11-07-2003, 12:48 PM #15
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