are these catabolics?

just got 2 questions

Does Ephedrin have a catabolic effect on muscles?

Does Clen have a catabolic effect on muscles?

Dave

No neither do.

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The only way I see it being catabolic is if it suppresses your appetite enough to make you drop you calories so low that it put you in a catabolic state..... Otherwise no

has far as I know Clen and eca is anti-catabolic!!!
catabolic=muscle waste

Ephedren can speed up the catabolic process if you are not takin in enough calories.

So would all agree that Clen is a better choice to keep from putting myself into a catabolic state?

Also which has a greater effect on heart rate and body heat increase between ephedrine and clen?

Dave

Neither will make you or keep you from becomming catabolic.

I would use both...... Clen 2 weeks and ECA the other 2 weeks for a total of 8 weeks.

Yes..they do...however they effect your overall system in a catabolic manner....not necessarily directed specifically at your muscle tissue. Sups that drive adrenaline, such as ephedra, caffine, etc...have a catabolic effect on your endocrine systen in general...

R

Just coming back to that comment about calories for a sec.

I am currently unemployed but i return to my job in February. So im able to eat like a madman at the moment, but when i go back to my job there isnt much time to eat so i was wondering...
Im hoping to weigh 175-180lbs (id say im a bit of a hard gainer)before i go back to work, so whats the minimum calories, protein and Carbs i would need each day in order to keep the muscle iv put on?

Cheers
Dave

ECA is suspose to speed up your metablism by 2-3%. And clen speeds it up 10%. I remember reading this somewhere but I dont remember where and this info could be outdated.

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Originally Posted by bigdave91

Just coming back to that comment about calories for a sec.

I am currently unemployed but i return to my job in February. So im able to eat like a madman at the moment, but when i go back to my job there isnt much time to eat so i was wondering...
Im hoping to weigh 175-180lbs (id say im a bit of a hard gainer)before i go back to work, so whats the minimum calories, protein and Carbs i would need each day in order to keep the muscle iv put on?

Cheers
Dave

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I take the calories from what I was eatting in my cycle and add another 500 to them durring PCT and keep them there for about another 3 weeks after my PCT.

but when im not doing PCT or a cycle what do you think i would need in protein, cals and carbs to maintain my muscle??

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but when im not doing PCT or a cycle what do you think i would need in protein, cals and carbs to maintain my muscle??

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Everyone is different........... You need to find out what your maintence calories will be to stay at that weight.

But when I'm not on a cycle and not cutting I like to keep Proteins/Carbs/Fats at
50/30/20 % again this is what works for me and you need to find what works best for you

Mudman do you mean 50/30/20% of your bodyweight in grams??
I dont quite understand that my friend.

Dave

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Originally Posted by bigdave91

Mudman do you mean 50/30/20% of your bodyweight in grams??
I dont quite understand that my friend.

Dave

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No............... 50% Proteins/ 30% Carbs/ 20% Fats

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Originally Posted by Rich8888

[B]Yes[/B Sups that drive adrenaline, such as ephedra, caffine, etc...have a catabolic effect on your endocrine systen in general...

R

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im taking IXEL(Milnacipran) which is a new SNRI.
much like effexor it as an influence on noradrenaline.
is it like the adrenaline, does it have a catabolic effect on fat or muscles?