are these catabolics?

**bigdave91** · 11-11-2003, 10:11 AM

just got 2 questions

Does Ephedrin have a catabolic effect on muscles?

Does Clen have a catabolic effect on muscles?

Dave

**TheMudMan** · 11-11-2003, 10:13 AM

No neither do.

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The only way I see it being catabolic is if it suppresses your appetite enough to make you drop you calories so low that it put you in a catabolic state..... Otherwise no

**paulastone** · 11-11-2003, 10:13 AM

has far as I know Clen and eca is anti-catabolic!!!
catabolic=muscle waste

**nevaenuf** · 11-11-2003, 10:14 AM

Ephedren can speed up the catabolic process if you are not takin in enough calories.

**bigdave91** · 11-11-2003, 10:26 AM

So would all agree that Clen is a better choice to keep from putting myself into a catabolic state?

Also which has a greater effect on heart rate and body heat increase between ephedrine and clen?

Dave

**TheMudMan** · 11-11-2003, 10:32 AM

Neither will make you or keep you from becomming catabolic.

I would use both...... Clen 2 weeks and ECA the other 2 weeks for a total of 8 weeks.

**Rich8888** · 11-11-2003, 10:33 AM

Yes..they do...however they effect your overall system in a catabolic manner....not necessarily directed specifically at your muscle tissue. Sups that drive adrenaline, such as ephedra, caffine, etc...have a catabolic effect on your endocrine systen in general...

R

**bigdave91** · 11-11-2003, 10:37 AM

Just coming back to that comment about calories for a sec.

I am currently unemployed but i return to my job in February. So im able to eat like a madman at the moment, but when i go back to my job there isnt much time to eat so i was wondering...
Im hoping to weigh 175-180lbs (id say im a bit of a hard gainer)before i go back to work, so whats the minimum calories, protein and Carbs i would need each day in order to keep the muscle iv put on?

Cheers
Dave

**nevaenuf** · 11-11-2003, 10:38 AM

ECA is suspose to speed up your metablism by 2-3%. And clen speeds it up 10%. I remember reading this somewhere but I dont remember where and this info could be outdated.

**TheMudMan** · 11-11-2003, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by bigdave91

Just coming back to that comment about calories for a sec.

I am currently unemployed but i return to my job in February. So im able to eat like a madman at the moment, but when i go back to my job there isnt much time to eat so i was wondering...
Im hoping to weigh 175-180lbs (id say im a bit of a hard gainer)before i go back to work, so whats the minimum calories, protein and Carbs i would need each day in order to keep the muscle iv put on?

Cheers
Dave

I take the calories from what I was eatting in my cycle and add another 500 to them durring PCT and keep them there for about another 3 weeks after my PCT.

**bigdave91** · 11-11-2003, 11:27 AM

but when im not doing PCT or a cycle what do you think i would need in protein, cals and carbs to maintain my muscle??

**TheMudMan** · 11-11-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by bigdave91

but when im not doing PCT or a cycle what do you think i would need in protein, cals and carbs to maintain my muscle??

Everyone is different........... You need to find out what your maintence calories will be to stay at that weight.

But when I'm not on a cycle and not cutting I like to keep Proteins/Carbs/Fats at
50/30/20 % again this is what works for me and you need to find what works best for you

**bigdave91** · 11-11-2003, 06:08 PM

Mudman do you mean 50/30/20% of your bodyweight in grams??
I dont quite understand that my friend.

Dave

**TheMudMan** · 11-11-2003, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by bigdave91

Mudman do you mean 50/30/20% of your bodyweight in grams??
I dont quite understand that my friend.

Dave

No............... 50% Proteins/ 30% Carbs/ 20% Fats

**shalke** · 11-11-2003, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Rich8888

[B]Yes[/B Sups that drive adrenaline, such as ephedra, caffine, etc...have a catabolic effect on your endocrine systen in general...

R

im taking IXEL(Milnacipran) which is a new SNRI.
much like effexor it as an influence on noradrenaline.
is it like the adrenaline, does it have a catabolic effect on fat or muscles?