Test Fat

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 01:18 PM

How many pounds of fat do you think is contributed from taking 500mg of Test/wk for 10 weeks...is the fat caused by an increased calorie intake or both?

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 01:25 PM

Test doesn't make you fat................ It's the food that you eat and when you eat them that makes you fat.......... and yes if your take in more calories than you can burn they have to turn into something...... fat

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 01:28 PM

so cut calories and hinder gains or add fat....

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-12-2003, 01:29 PM

Eat Clean....

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Eat Clean....

Yes................. You need to learn when to eat, what to eat at what times,............ bro there's a lot to eatting...... this will make or break your cycle.............

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 01:43 PM

I know to eat clean bro's...bf% went from 15 to 17 now..on nolva and liquidex as well...so something is going on....

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by BigBow

I know to eat clean bro's...bf% went from 15 to 17 now..on nolva and liquidex as well...so something is going on....

Are you bulking? If so how much weight did u put on in that 2% jump.

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 02:03 PM

started at 222 15% now at 238 17% week 8

**Grant** · 11-12-2003, 02:04 PM

test actually helps burn fat

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by BigBow

started at 222 15% now at 238 17% week 8

Yeah that's not too good.............. Post your diet when you get a chance.

It's all about timing when you eat certain foods at what times........... like if your insulin levels are high you don't want to take any fats in at those times....

**Newbee** · 11-12-2003, 03:05 PM

I thought I would jump in and ask Mudman what he would recomend for a clean bulk (diet wise)

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Newbee

I thought I would jump in and ask Mudman what he would recomend for a clean bulk (diet wise)

When I get home I will PM you my bulking diets............. You have to take in account that I'm 5'7 187lbs low 10% bf so if you are heavier or lighter you need to modify the diets to fit you

**MR ARMAGEDON** · 11-12-2003, 03:10 PM

my first cycle i just ate ate ate, good bad and everything inbetween. put on some fat didnt like it and quickly realized diet was very key for someone like me

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

When I get home I will PM you my bulking diets............. You have to take in account that I'm 5'7 187lbs low 10% bf so if you are heavier or lighter you need to modify the diets to fit you

hey mudman,

You mind posting a clean diet as well...I know I am only taking in around 2800 cals a day, but probably eating at the wrong times

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by BigBow

hey mudman,

You mind posting a clean diet as well...I know I am only taking in around 2800 cals a day, but probably eating at the wrong times

No problem........ When I get home I will post it............ I cut at 2800 or a little lower................ what are your stats?

**noobie** · 11-12-2003, 03:31 PM

Hey mudman can you please include me in your diet pm too? I want it too. Thanks! Noobie

**ghettodope** · 11-12-2003, 03:51 PM

Mudman, can u send me those bulk diets also? i want to go on a bulking cycle, but im afraid of adding too much bf, thats why i was interested in the winni and eq. it would be a great help if u could hook me up with sum good diets so i can gain muscle but not alot of bf. rite now im 6' 195lbs around 13-15%bf. or do u think i could take care of the fat issue by taking a cutting cycle later on?

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 03:52 PM

5'11 238 17%

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 03:55 PM

damn mudman just got hit up by the whole board LOL...anywayI think to forms of diets should be posted..cuting and bulking...like he said everyone has to adjust to their needs

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 07:07 PM

Instead of PM'ing I will post my bulker.......... Remember I'm 5'7 187 10%

Meal 1
10 to 12 egg whites w/salsa
1 to 1 1/2 cup of oats w/table spoon natural peanut butter
1 cup coffee

Meal 2
2 chicken breasts
1 yam
1 cup green veggies

Meal 3
2 chicken breast
1 cup green veggies

Meal 4
1 chicken breast
3/4 Cup oats

Meal 5 (Pre Workout)
40g Protein Shake

Meal 6 (Post workout)
40g Protein Shake w/3 Table Spoons of Honey

Meal 7 (Post Post workout)
12 egg whites w/salsa
1 1/2 cup oats w/1 - Table Spoon of Honey

Meal 8
2 to 3 Chicken Breasts w/ Salsa

Meal 9
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil or 10 egg whites

Meal 10 - 2am (I usually wake up hungry every night at this time - This is optional)
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil

**Drink 1.5 gallons of water ED
** You can switch the chicken with 1/2 to 3/4 pounds of 97% lean ground beef(once to twice a week), tuna steaks, salmon steaks, or any high quality lean cuts of meat

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 07:13 PM

Here's the cutter........ Only difference is wher I have my carbs and the amount of carbs I eat........ Proteins and fats are the same.

Meal 1
10 egg whites w/salsa
1/2 to 3/4 cup of oats w/table spoon natural peanut butter
1 cup coffee

Meal 2
2 chicken breast
1 cup green veggies

Meal 3
2 chicken breast
1 cup green veggies
1/2 Cup oats

Meal 4
1 chicken breast

Meal 5 (Pre Workout)
40g Protein Shake

Meal 6 (Post workout)
40g Protein Shake w/2 Table Spoons of Honey

Meal 7 (Post Post workout)
12 egg whites w/salsa
1/2 to 3/4 cup oats w/1 - Table Spoon of Honey

Meal 8
2 Chicken Breasts

Meal 9
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil or 10 egg whites

Meal 10 - 2am
40g Protein Shake w/Flax Seed Oil

**BigBow** · 11-12-2003, 07:47 PM

thanks mudman....dont know if my job situation will alow that but will try it out...

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 11-12-2003, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by noobie

Hey mudman can you please include me in your diet pm too? I want it too. Thanks! Noobie

Hey Mud, I think you better just use the "Select All" button, or "Send to all recipients"....................

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 08:09 PM

Yeah I know.............. I thought this was easier and less work.

BigBow - Yes it can be expensive but you got to eat to grow.

**TheSevnthWarrior** · 11-12-2003, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by TheSevnthWarrior

Hey Mud, I think you better just use the "Select All" button, or "Send to all recipients"....................

OK, I see you did.....I shoulda scrolled!

**rainbowsheep** · 11-12-2003, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

Test doesn't make you fat................ It's the food that you eat and when you eat them that makes you fat.......... and yes if your take in more calories than you can burn they have to turn into something...... fat

You know that excess calories can "turn" into something other than fat, right?

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

You know that excess calories can "turn" into something other than fat, right?

If you don't use them then what else will they turn into............ This is why we have maintence calories............ you eat to maintain a current weight

**noobie** · 11-12-2003, 10:29 PM

damn thats a lot of food

**groverman1** · 11-12-2003, 10:37 PM

I am having a hard time getting just the right mix also. I am also on a 500mg/wk of test enanthate and I am putting on good mass with some fat although I thnk it's bound to happen.

**TheMudMan** · 11-12-2003, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by groverman1

I am having a hard time getting just the right mix also. I am also on a 500mg/wk of test enanthate and I am putting on good mass with some fat although I thnk it's bound to happen.

Right there's no way that you will not put some fat on while bulking........... but putting on way more fat then muscle is not my idea of bulking............ when it comes time for me to cut I want it to be as easy as possible.

**rainbowsheep** · 11-13-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

If you don't use them then what else will they turn into............ This is why we have maintence calories............ you eat to maintain a current weight

They can "turn into" muscle.

**TheMudMan** · 11-13-2003, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

They can "turn into" muscle.

Well, If you say so then I guess they do

**rainbowsheep** · 11-14-2003, 12:11 PM

To build muscle, you generally have to have a caloric surplus.

**TheMudMan** · 11-14-2003, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

To build muscle, you generally have to have a caloric surplus.

Bro........... I know about nutrition......... I know what needs to be done to grow.

This was your post:
"You know that excess calories can "turn" into something other than fat, right?"

EXCESS calories we are talking about.......... if they are excess then they will be stored as fat for energy for a later use.

**rainbowsheep** · 11-14-2003, 12:17 PM

Are you saying that if you maintain weight at 2500 calories a day, it's not necessary to exceed that in order to gain muscle?

**TheMudMan** · 11-14-2003, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

Are you saying that if you maintain weight at 2500 calories a day, it's not necessary to exceed that in order to gain muscle?

No I never said that

You see the 2 posts of the diets I use............

Maintence calories will keep you at that weight

Exceed maintence you will either put fat, muscle or both

Go below maintence shed bf, could or will lose muscle, or both.

**rainbowsheep** · 11-14-2003, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

No I never said that

You see the 2 posts of the diets I use............

Maintence calories will keep you at that weight

Exceed maintence you will either put fat, muscle or both

Go below maintence shed bf, could or will lose muscle, or both.

Ok, I'd agree with that. When you said

"and yes if your take in more calories than you can burn they have to turn into something...... fat"

it sounded like you said that calories above maintence can only be metabolized into fat.

**VforVendetta** · 11-15-2003, 06:04 PM

Mud, thx for posting your diets...one question: generally what are the intervals between meals? 2 hrs or so?

thx..

**cpt steele** · 11-15-2003, 06:17 PM

I eat every 2hrs I start the day with a tablespoon of pb go to the gym have a pro shake 4 eggs 2pcs toast. The rest of the day I have only low glycemic carbs like veggies. Eating this way has changed everything for me. I keep fat off I am never craving junk and make great gains.

**Ntpadude** · 11-16-2003, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by groverman1

I am having a hard time getting just the right mix also. I am also on a 500mg/wk of test enanthate and I am putting on good mass with some fat although I thnk it's bound to happen.

I think you all are assuming your water gain is fat, post cycle this stuff melts away quickly. If you get some muscle growth activity it takes like an enourmous amount of calaries to grow a pound of muscle, like 3500 calaries but that has to be above and beyond your maintenance calaries.