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  1. #1
    VAgym is offline Junior Member
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    TEST/EQ/DBOL - 3rd Cycle - Need advice

    Ok I am putting together my 3rd cycle and am going to use dbol for the first time. I have never really been a fan of orals. Looking for advice on how to fine tune this cycle or if I am missing anything. I will save the drawn out diet info as this is a given.

    20mg dbol wks 1-4
    400mg eq wks 1-10
    400mg test wks 1-11

    Clomid - wk 14
    300mg day 1
    100 days 2-11
    50 days 12-21

    For the Liver due to running dbol
    milk thisle - 1000mg/day
    ALA - 800mg/day
    saw palmetto - 320mg/day

    Nizoral EOD entire cycle
    Polysorbate 80 EOD entire cycle
    Finasteride - How should this be run????

    creatine 25mg ed week 13-22
    glutamine - 10-20mg/ed throughout the cycle and post cycle

    Also what is it I can get from pnp that will reduce water retension

    Please let me know if anything has been overlooked.

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    Troyboy is offline Associate Member
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    Wont you get enough water retention from the Dbol that you dont need creatine?

    Creatine just makes you retain water. I would think its too much and a waste of money with a cycle.

    just my 2cents.

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    lwgy is offline Junior Member
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    ive read that creatine beyond 5g ed provides very little.

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    TRE is offline Anabolic Member
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    If this is your 3rd cycle your running it quiet lean. First you need to bump the dbol up to at least 30mg a day and maybe more depending on the brand. A lot of dbol brands underdose by up to half. You should also bump the test up above the EQ maybe something like 600mg. Im not sure of your previous cycles. Creatine does more then just retain water but I would cut it down to 10g a day. You can over due creatine and shut down your bodies natural supply. Looks like your playing it pretty safe so I'm a little confused on why you dont have atleast nolvadex on hand. Hope this helps.

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    This is your 3rd cycle so I would at least run it like this:

    1 - 4 D-bol 30 to 50mg (Depending on your weight)
    1 - 13 Enan 500mg
    1 - 12 EQ 500mg
    1 - 15 liquidex .25 ED (help with bloat/estrogen sides)
    1 - 15 nolva 10mg ED (help with bloat/estrogen sides)

    Start PCT 3 weeks after last EQ injection
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 2 - 11 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 12 - 21 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva

    I never use hair products - not prone to hair loss_ so I can't help you there.

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    D3m3nt3d is offline AR's Whore D'Oeuvre
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    I agree about the d-bol, bump to atleast 30mg/day.
    As far as creatine goes, it will hurt nothing to keep using it if your trying to bulk, 5g a day should be fine

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    Liquidex is reputed to be a fantastic help with bloat and water retention.

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    i agree about not using creatine, it makes me bloat like a puffer fish, as for pnp, try the liquidex at .25-.5mg per day...will keep off water and act as an anti-e as well. and yes have nolva on hand as well for symptoms of gyno, but the l-dex should alleviate this problem...then you can use the nolva in conjunction with clomid in your PCT at 20mg per day.

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