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    I wanna run a short cycle Just want to get a little stronger and alot more ripped:

    weeks 1-6 Tren 152mgs per week
    weeks 3-8 Winny Depot EOD and Anavar 30mgs ED

    Background: I am sensitive to gyno have experienced it in a winny only cycle


    Question

    1) Will I see any results from the tren at such a low dosage?
    2) Would you recommend I take Arimadex instead of Nolvadex ?

    Any help is appreciated

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    What are your stats.... age, weight, height............

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    damn, gyno sensitivity with winny
    fina i know doesn't aromatize, or aromatizes slowwwwwly...but damn run some armidex or liquidex with that, that is the strong/ripped cycle though, fina/winn.....

    i would run 75mgs eod of fina, i think 50mgs of win eod with the fina.... if you are ballz out like most of the natural people in this forum, run the fina at 100mgs eod, good strength gains!!!!! vewy nice

    good luck bro

    sounds good,

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    fina/winn = hard on joints

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nailer
    fina/winn = hard on joints
    Also, with no test limp dick too

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    Also, with no test limp dick too
    Mud on point as always

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    What are your stats.... age, weight, height............
    Im 5'10 208lbs 20years old....Im not into getting freaky just looking really good. Do u still think at a low dose i will have trouble with libido?

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    Damn i shoot 150mgs of tren in one day, I would keep your tren dosage to atleast 50mgs a day.

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    What are your goals?

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    You need test no way around it............... If your prone to gyno then run femera or ldex combined with nolva.

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    joints

    Quote Originally Posted by Nailer
    fina/winn = hard on joints
    When u say hard on the joints what do u mean?....I have taken 3 cycles prior all containing winstrol .....If Im on a good joint formula u still think their will be a problem?

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    goals

    Quote Originally Posted by BigMike J
    What are your goals?
    Goals are to be between 215-200 with 6-8% body fat

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    He means it drys the joints out

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    for a cutter this is what I would run.............. I would drop the winny and use Prop, fina, and EQ

    1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
    1 - 12 EQ 400mg
    5 - 12 Fina 75mg ED
    1 - 15 Nolva 20mg ED
    1 - 15 L-dex .5 ED

    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection:

    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid

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    Will you answer Mudmans question, what are your current stats?

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    Yep make sure you have some sort of test, fina is very hard on the libido

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    Background: I am sensitive to gyno have experienced it in a winny only cycle
    um..no winny does not cause gyno

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    too much

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    for a cutter this is what I would run.............. I would drop the winny and use Prop, fina, and EQ

    1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
    1 - 12 EQ 400mg
    5 - 12 Fina 75mg ED
    1 - 15 Nolva 20mg ED
    1 - 15 L-dex .5 ED

    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection:

    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Bro this sound great but i dont want to take so much...I have seen great results with lower dosages.....I gained 15lbs solid and havent lost anything on just Winny and EQ for 10 weeks total. I dont know about test?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billy_Bathgate
    um..no winny does not cause gyno

    Dont tell me it doesn't B/C i really had it and actually have it.... a very little case....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms462
    Bro this sound great but i dont want to take so much...I have seen great results with lower dosages.....I gained 15lbs solid and havent lost anything on just Winny and EQ for 10 weeks total. I dont know about test?
    That's not a lot bro................... no matter what you run you need test. But I guess in the end it's your body and will end up doing what you want anyway

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    thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    That's not a lot bro................... no matter what you run you need test. But I guess in the end it's your body and will end up doing what you want anyway
    No i really appreciate your feedback....Question im not familiar with femera or Idex...What are they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jms462
    No i really appreciate your feedback....Question im not familiar with femera or Idex...What are they?
    They are anti-e's they both stop the conversion of test into estrogen. Femera is stronger of the two but is also more expensive. Both do a good job in stopping estrogen related gyno

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    reason

    Quote Originally Posted by jms462
    No i really appreciate your feedback....Question im not familiar with femera or Idex...What are they?

    The reason I chose these three is because u keep the most or atleast thats what i thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    for a cutter this is what I would run.............. I would drop the winny and use Prop, fina, and EQ

    1 - 15 Prop 75mg ED
    1 - 12 EQ 400mg
    5 - 12 Fina 75mg ED
    1 - 15 Nolva 20mg ED
    1 - 15 L-dex .5 ED

    Start PCT 3 days after last Prop injection:

    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 2 - 14 100mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Day 15 - 30 50mg Clomid / 20mg Clomid
    Even though this is a GREAT cycle if you dont want do run so much, take out the EQ. Prop/Fina @ 75mg ED would also be excellent.

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    Fina out of all AS is the best at keeping gains.... Winny is junk........... I've used and I did have good results but it's not worth the money or the pain when I could run fina. Get way better results for way less money......

    No matter what you need to run some sort of test........ I threw the EQ in there because it is also a very good AS that gains are keepable

    Now all these gains are keepable only if proper PCT is done and cals are staying high

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMudMan
    They are anti-e's they both stop the conversion of test into estrogen. Femera is stronger of the two but is also more expensive. Both do a good job in stopping estrogen related gyno
    U think femera is better than arimadex?

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