2nd cycle need advice

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:27 PM

Hey guys, this is my second cycle, my first was just deca . This is what i have in mind

wks 1-8 D-bol @ 25mg a day
wks 1 Deca @ 200mg
Wks 2-7 Deca @ 400mg
Wks 8 Deca @ 200 mg
Wks 4 through end of PCT - Nolvadex 10mg and Proviron 25mg ed

PCT- Clomid 300mg/first day, 100mg/5days, 50mg/6 days

How does this cycle sound? Remember its my second cycle and to my knowledge of what i have read test is a bad idea since i dont need it now. I am tapering the deca because i dont have enough to go 400mg/8 weeks. Thanks everyone

**armwrestler22** · 11-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

Hey guys, this is my second cycle, my first was just deca . This is what i have in mind

wks 1-8 D-bol @ 25mg a day
wks 1 Deca @ 200mg
Wks 2-7 Deca @ 400mg
Wks 8 Deca @ 200 mg
Wks 4 through end of PCT - Nolvadex 10mg and Proviron 25mg ed

PCT- Clomid 300mg/first day, 100mg/5days, 50mg/6 days

How does this cycle sound? Remember its my second cycle and to my knowledge of what i have read test is a bad idea since i dont need it now. I am tapering the deca because i dont have enough to go 400mg/8 weeks. Thanks everyone

don't you think 8 weeks may be a little long for d-bol ed.

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 01:30 PM

Deca for 10 weeks at 400mgs/w
Test for 10 weeks at 500mgs/w

Your basic first cycle bro.

The base for all cycles should be test.

Deca only is not a good idea as your libido will shut down.

**armwrestler22** · 11-25-2003, 01:30 PM

where the test at, limp dick?

***Pheedno*** · 11-25-2003, 01:31 PM

No Test, dbol for eight, and your tapering.

Re-do bro. Research a bit more.

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by armwrestler22

don't you think 8 weeks may be a little long for d-bol ed.

Also a good point....go 5 weeks maximum IMO.

**bigsd67** · 11-25-2003, 01:33 PM

test is a bad idea??? what ever you read is some wrong info...more research needed.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

test is a bad idea??? what ever you read is some wrong info...more research needed.

I read this on this website, under steroid profiles. ["At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testoster-one compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them."]

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 01:40 PM

Research:

Test cyp
Test Enan
Clomid

Little Advice:

DBOL shouldn't be run for more than 4 weeks.
Deca only cycle??? Hope you like having a noodle dick.
every cycle should have TEST in it!!!!

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:41 PM

Ok revision #1

Wks 1-8 Deca 400mg
Wks 1-8 Sustanon 250/ 250mg a week
Nolvadex and Proviron 10/25 respectfully after first 3 weeks until pct is finished

PCT- Clomid 300mg/ 1 day, 100mg/ 5 days, 50mg/ 14 days

Do i need HCG ? I read that the more you use it the less effective it is, and it should only be used when you really need it? Any input

**bigsd67** · 11-25-2003, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

I read this on this website, under steroid profiles. ["At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testoster-one compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them."]

well this website needs to be updated because that info. is false..test should be the base for all cycles specially with deca because deca causes limp dick.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

I read this on this website, under steroid profiles. ["At this point we would like to emphasize once more that steroid novices should stay away from all testoster-one compounds since, at this time, they simply do not need them."]

I'd like to know who wrote that? TEST is KING. Also, don't taper your doses. If you don't have enough gear, then you should wait till you can all of it.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

well this website needs to be updated because that info. is false..test should be the base for all cycles specially with deca because deca causes limp dick.

When i did just deca i was actually over stimulated, although deca dick came in for a couple of weeks but is over with

**Mart651** · 11-25-2003, 01:44 PM

correct me if I'm wrong but isn't deca a man made test.
forgive my ignorance but if it is it will have the same effect on young people.(shut down, limp dick and others)
kind of screwed up at any age

**bigsd67** · 11-25-2003, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

Ok revision #1

Wks 1-8 Deca 400mg
Wks 1-8 Sustanon 250/ 250mg a week
Nolvadex and Proviron 10/25 respectfully after first 3 weeks until pct is finished

PCT- Clomid 300mg/ 1 day, 100mg/ 5 days, 50mg/ 14 days

Do i need HCG? I read that the more you use it the less effective it is, and it should only be used when you really need it? Any input

keep revising...sust should be injected e3d because of the short esters in it...also to prevent deca dick you need to run test at a higher dose than deca.

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 01:45 PM

Use 500mgs/w of sust at least. You need more test than deca to avoid "deca dick" or "limp noodle your wife or girlfriend is leaving you cause she thinks you turned homo" problem.

Or better yet take 6 months to a year and learn as much as you can...You are not ready as far as knowledge is concerned. You need more b4 you use.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

When i did just deca i was actually over stimulated, although deca dick came in for a couple of weeks but is over with

after the cycle was over, and i got good gains i was at 165 pounds pre cycle, after i was at 185 pounds, thats 20 pounds, now i am at 194- 6 months later

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

Ok revision #1

Wks 1-8 Deca 400mg
Wks 1-8 Sustanon 250/ 250mg a week
Nolvadex and Proviron 10/25 respectfully after first 3 weeks until pct is finished

PCT- Clomid 300mg/ 1 day, 100mg/ 5 days, 50mg/ 14 days

Do i need HCG? I read that the more you use it the less effective it is, and it should only be used when you really need it? Any input

Personally, I would say go with Test Enan, or Cyp. remember Sust has to be injected E3D. You also want to run the Test higher than the Deca.

I would do this:

Wk 1-10 test 400/500mg a week
Wk 1-10 Deca 300/400mg a week
followed by Clomid.
Nolva on hand

And you shouldn't need HCG

**bigsd67** · 11-25-2003, 01:46 PM

Question Pump....how old are you

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gilster

Use 500mgs/w of sust at least. You need more test than deca to avoid "deca dick" or "limp noodle your wife or girlfriend is leaving you cause she thinks you turned homo" problem.

Or better yet take 6 months to a year and learn as much as you can...You are not ready as far as knowledge is concerned. You need more b4 you use.

lol. Ok then with that amount of sust, is my anti-e's good. I got the anti-es dosage from this website, under cycles of stacking. also in steroid profiles it states that hcg should be considered with Sust. Any opinions

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Personally, I would say go with Test Enan, or Cyp. remember Sust has to be injected E3D. You also want to run the Test higher than the Deca .

I would do this:

Wk 1-10 test 400/500mg a week
Wk 1-10 Deca 300/400mg a week
followed by Clomid.
Nolva on hand

And you shouldn't need HCG

Buylongterm is that what you did first cycle, i saw your pictures and you put on a lot of size. I am pretty envious.

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 01:53 PM

Your anti-e is fine, but drop the proviron during the weeks you are waiting for clomid and bump the nolva to 20mgs/d at that time. Proviron will inhibit natural test production. You can use hcg if you want but it may not be necessary. If you do use it, use it in the 3 weeks that you are waiting to start clomid. I like using HCG in every cycle to be safe. I am older and at 40 years old you want to make sure you are back 100% all the time.

**Mart651** · 11-25-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by bigsd67

Question Pump....how old are you

how old bro

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by mart651

how old bro

23 yrs

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:01 PM

Revision #2

Wks 1-10 Test 400mg/wk
Wks 1-10 Deca 300mg/wk

Wks 3-10 Nolvadex 10mg ed/ Proviron 25 mg ed
Wks 11-13 Nolvadex 20mg ed
wks 13-16 pct clomid 300mg/ 1 day, 100mg/ 5 days, 50mg/ 14 days

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 02:09 PM

That sounds MUCH better. Just continue taking the novadex at 20mgs/d along with the clomid. They work better together. Now you got something there. Good luck and EAT.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by Gilster

That sounds MUCH better. Just continue taking the novadex at 20mgs/d along with the clomid. They work better together. Now you got something there. Good luck and EAT.

Thanks glister, another question, should i inject the test 2 times a week at 200mg or once at 400mg?

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 02:17 PM

If you can split up the dose of both the deca and the test into 2 doses, do it that way. It is ok to mix them, and I prefer to.

So 150/deca, and 200/test in each shot 2x a week.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by Gilster

If you can split up the dose of both the deca and the test into 2 doses, do it that way. It is ok to mix them, and I prefer to.

So 150/deca, and 200/test in each shot 2x a week.

How can you mix. dont you need to put air in the vial to create pressure before you apirate. Therefor wouldnt the deca go into the test amp or vice versa

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:37 PM

I guess that wouldnt matter if you take the deca first

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 02:40 PM

Turn it upside down and you can push in some air without pushing in the oil. Bet your going "damn that was simple!!"...lol.....Mixing is no problem at all.

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Gilster

Turn it upside down and you can push in some air without pushing in the oil. Bet your going "damn that was simple!!"...lol.....Mixing is no problem at all.

thanks bro

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

Buylongterm is that what you did first cycle, i saw your pictures and you put on a lot of size. I am pretty envious.

Thanks bro!!!
I actually did a low dose Test cycle with EQ and winstrol for 16 weeks.

**Mart651** · 11-25-2003, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

How can you mix. dont you need to put air in the vial to create pressure before you apirate. Therefor wouldnt the deca go into the test amp or vice versa

no flame bro. you seem like you have read a lot but you need to be careful you seem to know very little about shots. It aint to be taken lightly!!

**Gilster** · 11-25-2003, 02:45 PM

buylongterm....I saw those pics as well. Nice job

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by mart651

no flame bro. you seem like you have read a lot but you need to be careful you seem to know very little about shots. It aint to be taken lightly!!

Yeah i didnt know how to mix, but i did my research on where to inject and i never had any problems yet. But thankyou for your concern

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Gilster

buylongterm....I saw those pics as well. Nice job

Thanks!!!!! I'm hoping this next cycle will dwarf that one!!!!

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by buylongterm

Thanks!!!!! I'm hoping this next cycle will dwarf that one!!!!

did you keep a lot of those gains?

**BUYLONGTERM** · 11-25-2003, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by PumpDaddy8303

did you keep a lot of those gains?

The scary thing is I actually kept most of it. I actually had to stop lifting for 4 months because the winstrol destroyed my joints back in June. But, I think since I am taking HGH, It helped me retain most of my gains

**PumpDaddy8303** · 11-25-2003, 07:22 PM

i found out i cant get proviron , what should i do, just stick to the normal dose of nolvadex or up it? Or be a man and do the cycle without anti e's and show em whos the boss?