12-02-2003, 12:04 AM #1
Whats good to add to a deca cycle?
I have enough deca to run @ 300mg a week for 12 weeks. What should I add to that cycle? Don't want to retain a lot of water, but am doing a bulking cycle, maybe gain 20 - 25 lbs. Anything you can reccomend other than test? I am still a bit squeamish about test. What can I add? And should I run clomid after my cycle?
12-02-2003, 12:22 AM #2Originally Posted by pumped99
12-02-2003, 12:24 AM #3Originally Posted by pumped99
12-02-2003, 12:35 AM #4
You need testosterone . Shutting your system down without it is not a wise choice... especially with a progestin. At them minimal you should run at least 200-300mg per week of testosterone if you are skeptical of it. Your body is exposed to testosterone every day of it's life. You can a little Novadex with it to help with the estrogen-related water.
12-02-2003, 03:39 AM #5
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12-02-2003, 08:00 AM #7
12-03-2003, 01:27 AM #8Originally Posted by TRE
No, I've never had "Deca Dick" per say`but then again I've only ran it without test once, and that was because I was too young and too stupid to not know that Primobolan wasn't test (I was just a kid...I thought Primoteston was just a Generic name for Primobolan....like I said, I was young and dumb)
But IMO NONE of this is the real argument.
If you study the characteristics of Deca (and test for that matter) combined with studying How the Male Body goes about producing Muscle, you wouldn't WANT to run Deca w/o test. Sure, you can get good results from just Deca, especially combined with a 17 oral, but the same amount of Deca will yield 3 fold when ran with testosterone , so why would you not.
This Deca only argument always takes off in the direction off "Shut you down Bad" and "Deca Dick" and I'm NOT saying that's not true, after several weeks of 500+ mgs, it's a bit of a hard start for Mr. Woody at times for me, and I'm running test, so I can only imagine how it is by itself.
I just think if more people knew why what works..works, there wouldn't be much "Deca Dick" talk, because there would be no need for it to go that far in that direction.
You could say Tuna has a lot of Protein, and you would be correct. And you COULD eat Just Tuna, and make great gains, maybe be a bit malnurished in other catagories, but you would see good gains on just Tuna for Numerous weeks.
NOW...If someone, said, screw that, you need chicken (or whatever) you Could say, no, I grow pretty good on Tuna.
But if for Whatever reason you were to find out that Tuna is 3 X's more effective when combined with Chicken, you'd be all over the Chicken wouldn't you????!
Test IS the Grand Pappy of Juice, Always has been, always will be.
I can think of very few instances that I wouldn't run test...maybe none.
It's my humble opinion that "Exotica" has taken over the lower levels of the AAS world, I think there would be wide spread impovements in both the Gains And the Fun categories, if we got a little more back to the Basics.
(Belive it or not this has been the economy version of my .02)
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