new to the game, needs help

**homey** · 12-03-2003, 09:08 PM

I'm hoping someone can help.I'm 27 m 5'10 186 maybe 16%. Have only taken over counter suppliments,creatine,ect.Been in gym since high school, looking to move on to next level. I've been told a good cycle would be D-Bol 40mg/day 8 wks,Deca 250 starting week 8-12, Sust 250 starting week 8-12. I'm really looking for some good honest help because i don't know who to really trust. Please help

***asymmetrical1*** · 12-03-2003, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by homey

I'm hoping someone can help.I'm 27 m 5'10 186 maybe 16%. Have only taken over counter suppliments,creatine,ect.Been in gym since high school, looking to move on to next level. I've been told a good cycle would be D-Bol 40mg/day 8 wks,Deca 250 starting week 8-12, Sust 250 starting week 8-12. I'm really looking for some good honest help because i don't know who to really trust. Please help

Thats a terrible cycle....A better cycle:
1-4 40mg dbol /ed
1-10 500mg test e/week
1-10 .5ml l-dex/ed
12-15 clomid

**Rickson** · 12-03-2003, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

Thats a terrible cycle....A better cycle:
1-4 40mg dbol /ed
1-10 500mg test e/week
1-10 .5ml l-dex/ed
12-15 clomid

That is nice first cycle. The one original given to you was a very poorly planned out one.

**Dude-Man** · 12-03-2003, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

Thats a terrible cycle....A better cycle:
1-4 40mg dbol /ed
1-10 500mg test e/week
1-10 .5ml l-dex/ed
12-15 clomid

That's a much better cycle...

keep in mind.. this isn't "a game"

steroids can have real, lasting negative effects on your body. If you choose to do them you need to be as informed as possible in order to avoid these effects. The educational forums are a great place to start your search for information.

**motoxxxguy** · 12-03-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

Thats a terrible cycle....A better cycle:
1-4 40mg dbol /ed
1-10 500mg test e/week
1-10 .5ml l-dex/ed
12-15 clomid

I like this cycle as well. You are in the right place for some good honest info as well. Welcome to AR.

-moto

**Needles33** · 12-03-2003, 09:35 PM

I Like that Cycle but
Could you use Equipoise instead of test for a leaner look?

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

That's a much better cycle...

keep in mind.. this isn't "a game"

steroids can have real, lasting negative effects on your body. If you choose to do them you need to be as informed as possible in order to avoid these effects. The educational forums are a great place to start your search for information.

**Dude-Man** · 12-03-2003, 09:40 PM

you could do that, but your sex drive will suffer and you'll probably get depressed.......

aas all turn off your body's natural testosterone production. thus, when used in cycles testosterone is useful for 2 reasons. the first is to supplement the testosterone that you no longer produce. The second of course, is to make gains.

**Needles33** · 12-03-2003, 09:44 PM

Great Point!
Second question, would you go with enth or prop?

Originally Posted by chrisAdams

you could do that, but your sex drive will suffer and you'll probably get depressed.......

aas all turn off your body's natural testosterone production. thus, when used in cycles testosterone is useful for 2 reasons. the first is to supplement the testosterone that you no longer produce. The second of course, is to make gains.

**stengun** · 12-03-2003, 10:06 PM

Howdy,

This is what I did as a newbie at 38 yo.....

An arch plan of test for 10 weeks. Started at 250 mg, peaked at 600mg, and last week of 250 mg, then 30 days of clomid and DHEA. I gained bout 20lbs of muscules in 14 weeks. Eat lots of protein!!

Keep it simple on your first cycle.

Paul

**homey** · 12-05-2003, 02:47 PM

thanks everyone for the info, looks like i will have to spend a bit more time doing research before i get started

**BUYLONGTERM** · 12-05-2003, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by stengun

Howdy,

This is what I did as a newbie at 38 yo.....

An arch plan of test for 10 weeks. Started at 250 mg, peaked at 600mg, and last week of 250 mg, then 30 days of clomid and DHEA. I gained bout 20lbs of muscules in 14 weeks. Eat lots of protein!!

Keep it simple on your first cycle.

Paul

Personally, I wouldn't pyramid. You want to keep your blood levels consistent/stable. If it were me and since it's your first cycle, I'd research Test Enan, or test cyp. Less injections.

Remember bro, no rush. Make sure you know exactly what your putting into your body and the effects it will have. A lot of bro's have been on the board for months and haven't even cycled yet. Like everyone has said, Test is the base of all cycles!!!! No cycle should be run without it.