reading my a** off, need tips for 1st cycle

**pestis** · 12-23-2003, 06:38 PM

35 years old
6' 4"
240lbs
17% body fat

240-300gms protein daily
some prohormone use
4 day training split ( I train hard!! )

want to make some gains and want them to last. quick in, quick out is the plan.
need help from the bro's on this forum so I dont need to ask a series of dumb questions.
thanks for your time

**Consistency** · 12-23-2003, 07:01 PM

the best first user cycle is...

wk 1-12 test enath 400-500mg (split into twice a week)
wk 15-18 clomid
wk 1-18 nolva 10mg ed

you will be very happy with the results

**Demon Deacon** · 12-23-2003, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by pestis

35 years old
6' 4"
240lbs
17% body fat

240-300gms protein daily
some prohormone use
4 day training split ( I train hard!! )

want to make some gains and want them to last. quick in, quick out is the plan.
need help from the bro's on this forum so I dont need to ask a series of dumb questions.
thanks for your time

I would add some more protein especially while your on gear. I consume 450g and i only weigh 185 pounds.

***Pheedno*** · 12-23-2003, 07:04 PM

250mg Enan E4D 10-12wks
.25mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva ED throughout cycle

Clomid/Nolva combo for PCT(post cycle therapy ) 100mg + 20mg for 30 days

**monster.** · 12-23-2003, 07:47 PM

Excellent ideas from the bros, but i would suggest:

Fina (tren )- 6 weeks 100mgs/Eod
Test Prop - 8 weeks 100mgs/Eod

Clomid/Novaldex on hand - If you can get around giving yourself a shot every other day this is a very nice cycle...Chances are you will keep your gains and I'm telling you...It's good ****...Add a high calorie diet, with your protein i'd see you close to 300lbs no prob...

BTW: throw your prohormones out, They are not worth it...

Good luck bro

**toolman** · 12-23-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by monster.

Excellent ideas from the bros, but i would suggest:

Fina (tren )- 6 weeks 100mgs/Eod
Test Prop - 8 weeks 100mgs/Eod

Clomid/Novaldex on hand - If you can get around giving yourself a shot every other day this is a very nice cycle...Chances are you will keep your gains and I'm telling you...It's good ****...Add a high calorie diet, with your protein i'd see you close to 300lbs no prob...

BTW: throw your prohormones out, They are not worth it...

Good luck bro

Nope, Pheednos is a much better cycle. First it is best to use only one compound in a first cycle and also eveery day sticks for your first run is no good.

As for a quick in and out, once you start you'll want more. I was the same, mid 30's, good shape, wanted to add 15 lbs or so. I added 24 on my first cycle and was hooked from there.

**simplyjakked** · 12-23-2003, 07:55 PM

my suggestion is

30mgs dbol wks 1-4
test cyponate 400 mgs wks 1-10

**ItalianMuscle** · 12-23-2003, 07:59 PM

500mg week of test enathate. every 4th dayand pct on hand nolva and clomid.

**monster.** · 12-23-2003, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by toolman

Nope, Pheednos is a much better cycle. First it is best to use only one compound in a first cycle and also eveery day sticks for your first run is no good.

As for a quick in and out, once you start you'll want more. I was the same, mid 30's, good shape, wanted to add 15 lbs or so. I added 24 on my first cycle and was hooked from there.

Ok...make it a second cycle idea...Some sort of test, cyp, enth, run it one shot every 4 days, I'd throw at least dbol in, 30mgs and then follow up with PCT...

Good times with that one...

**Da Bull** · 12-23-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Pheedno

250mg Enan E4D 10-12wks
.25mg L-dex + 10mg Nolva ED throughout cycle

Clomid/Nolva combo for PCT(post cycle therapy) 100mg + 20mg for 30 days

This is it bro..laid out for you in front of your face.........

**kossdog** · 12-24-2003, 05:33 AM

Bro,

Do not go under 500mg of test a week.Just an opinion from a guy in his thirties too. Like other said at 6'4 240, just keep simple and get some good human grade test like primoteston and inject 250mg 2x a week. Next cycle can use other substances. Eat 400-500 grams of protein for your size. 4000 calories to bulk up.... Good luck bro.....

KD

**Ankhefenmut** · 12-24-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by pestis

35 years old
6' 4"
240lbs
17% body fat

240-300gms protein daily
some prohormone use
4 day training split ( I train hard!! )

want to make some gains and want them to last. quick in, quick out is the plan.
need help from the bro's on this forum so I dont need to ask a series of dumb questions.
thanks for your time

Well Im 34 and prett much the same. After asking questions here Ive decided on the following.

10-12 week cycls.

400mg Test prop
250-300mg Deca

Followed by Clomid for 5 weeks after.
And Ill be doing some Clenbutyrol to help burn off some of the fat I may accumulate get from eating so much.

Yes, your protein intake seems a little low. At least 3gm per Kg of body weight is needed and perhaps more. Thus you should be looking in the range of 400-500gm per day. If you start balooning up cut back but once you start to grow your muscles are gonna crave it.

Go for it!