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    Question mixed reviews pct for sus. 500

    i am not sure what to do, to many conflicting reviews,
    i am running sust 500/week (250 2x week) for 10 weeks.

    i have all the nolva, proviron , clomid, hcg , and clen i need.

    from what i gather, this should be correct for pct?

    run hcg at 500 iu eod on last two weeks of injection
    run nolva at 20mg ed 2 weeks after last injection
    run clomid at 100mg ed for 1 week and 50mg ed after that
    and run clen on the start of clomid

    does this sound right? i have been searchin for days now and i think that this pct would be ok. let me know what ya think. later

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    for sustanon you should start pct 3 weeks after last shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue03svt
    i am not sure what to do, to many conflicting reviews,
    i am running sust 500/week (250 2x week) for 10 weeks.

    i have all the nolva, proviron , clomid, hcg , and clen i need.

    from what i gather, this should be correct for pct?

    run hcg at 500 iu eod on last two weeks of injection
    run nolva at 20mg ed 2 weeks after last injection
    run clomid at 100mg ed for 1 week and 50mg ed after that
    and run clen on the start of clomid

    does this sound right? i have been searchin for days now and i think that this pct would be ok. let me know what ya think. later
    As scott said start PCT 3 weeks after last injection of SUS........ but I wouldn't use HCG for this cycle..... it will be a waste and the more you use HCG the less effective it becomes. You can start clen when you begin PCT but remeber to cycle it 2 weeks on 2 weeks with ECA.

    For PCT run Clomid and Nolva to recover HPTA functuions:
    Day 1 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 2 - 21 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva
    Day 22 - 28 20mg Nolva
    Last edited by TheMudMan; 01-05-2004 at 08:31 AM.

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    mudman always knows what he is talking about...i'm running a similar cycle

    250mg every 4rth day (10 weeks total)-testoviron depot
    proviron 50 mg ed
    nolva 20 mg ed

    PCT
    3 weeks after my last shot of test
    hcg 5000iu/week-20mg nolva ed
    hcg 2500iu/week-20mg nolva ed
    hcg 1500iu/week-20mg nolva ed


    what u think about that mudman?
    respect

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    That's fine but it's known if you use HCG too much it will then become less effective........ In a 10 week test cycle I wouldn't use HCG but use clomid and nolva and wait to use HCG for the heavier and longer cycles where HCG is needed. JMO

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    Can I ask mudman/others, do you think nolva is required during a cycle like that AS WELL as proviron ? Will it provide any benefits either for reduced bloat/other that you wouldn't get from proviron alone? I was thinking of not using it during and was hopeful proviron would be plenty good enough and nolva would only risk more gains?

    My present plan:

    Wk 1-10: Sust @ 400/wk
    Wk 6-12: Var or Winny (dont know which yet?), 50mg/day
    Wk 1-12: Proviron 50mg/day
    Wk 13-15: Clomid 300/100/50, Nolva 20, Clen / ECA

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    I feel Nolva is needed........ Proviron will try to stop the conversion of test into estrogen but some may and will get by........ The Nolva will keep the excess estrogen from binding to the receptor site....... Nolva also acts as a serm to help out lipids.

    I like using nolva and l-dex in my cycles though.

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    the only thing i cant figure yet is why people use 2 SERM (clomid and nolva) for their pct.i thought those two dont work together....i.ve also read something about that on bodybuilding.com an article by par deus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by damian
    the only thing i cant figure yet is why people use 2 SERM (clomid and nolva) for their pct.i thought those two dont work together....i.ve also read something about that on bodybuilding.com an article by par deus.
    They both work together great......... Nolva will mimic estrogen uptake making the Clomid start the process of recovering your HPTA functions back to normal.

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    so basically i should only begin nolva when i start my pct and or keep it ready in case of gyno, correct?

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    i have plenty to run through this cycle but i am concerned about hindering my gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue03svt
    i have plenty to run through this cycle but i am concerned about hindering my gains.
    nolva doesn't hinder gains. You'd be fine running it through the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DARKSEID
    nolva doesn't hinder gains. You'd be fine running it through the cycle.
    Absolutely correct! I run it daily while on all cycles, all the way through my pct.

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    i have plenty to run through this cycle but i am concerned about hindering my gains.

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    opps ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue03svt
    i have plenty to run through this cycle but i am concerned about hindering my gains.
    The only gains it will hinder are the development of breasts. It does not hinder gains in any way. It will help by reducing estrogen related water bloat and that is not gains. It is far better to prevent gyno than it is to treat it. Further, it has a positive effect on you ldl cholesteral levels which can increase while on gear. Go ahead and use it daily and do not listen to anyone that tells you it interferes with gains, as they are clueless.

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    sounds good toolman, i always thought the hindering of gains was b.s. thanks bro

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