Two kick starts in a cycle

[Xavier_4446]

Could I have two kick starts in a cycle. Example:

25mg/ED Dbol 1-4
100mg/ED prop 1-4
500mg/wk enan 1-12
400mg/wk EQ 1-11

Could I do that or:

25mg/ED dbol 1-4
500mg/wk enan 1-12
400mg/wk EQ 1-11
100mg/EOD prop 13-15 straight into PCT

Another question, should I throw EQ into a bulking cycle or should I replace with Fina?

[meathead84]

number 2 is better, saving prop for end, no need to use both dbol and prop in the begining unless you are very experienced

[Hitman]

I too have recently been thinking about this i think i read it over at bolex. The way some guys are doing it is at about weeks 8-12 use prop(what ever your tolerance in mg is?) because this is when gains start to die off generally, dont forget this is only for the longer cycles. Then like was said go back on the prop through to PCT the theory behind it all is because props half life is short it wont screw anything up between your last shot of test and commencement of PCT. So you test levels will be optimized till the last minute, in theory. I will give this ago very soon since props cheap as fork, anyone here tried it yet?.........Hitman

[DocHoliday]

I think the second option is better.

Also, you can run EQ in a bulking cycle to help with water retention and to solidify gains and increase your appetite to ensure you’re getting enough calories. However, it is good that you are running your test a week longer than the EQ but run longer than 11 weeks. I ran EQ at 400mg for 9 weeks. I had planned for 10 but ran short. I think I wasted my money.

The consensus around here is run EQ at least 12 weeks, which I’m sure you know, but I just wanna back that consensus up with my experience. I would run it longer or just drop it.

Use B12 for appetite.

Further, the Dbol at 25mg a day is rather low.

What are you running for anti-e’s and pct?

Doc

[Mr. Sparkle]

Number two for sure. Id like to up the dose of prop to 125 mg. It doesnt sound like a lot more but in the week it adds up. 375 -500. as opposed to 300-400 at 100 EOD. This way you will get close to the same amount of test as you had on test E. Good luck let us know how it goes.

-MS

[Xavier_4446]

I think the second option is better.

Also, you can run EQ in a bulking cycle to help with water retention and to solidify gains and increase your appetite to ensure you’re getting enough calories. However, it is good that you are running your test a week longer than the EQ but run longer than 11 weeks. I ran EQ at 400mg for 9 weeks. I had planned for 10 but ran short. I think I wasted my money.

The consensus around here is run EQ at least 12 weeks, which I’m sure you know, but I just wanna back that consensus up with my experience. I would run it longer or just drop it.

Use B12 for appetite.

Further, the Dbol at 25mg a day is rather low.

What are you running for anti-e’s and pct?

Doc

I thought that if I ran the EQ 11 and test e for 12, they would taper out the same time. How much would you recommend for Dbol? I will probaly run
l-dex at .25mg/ed 1-12 and nolvadex 10mg/ED 1-12 then 20mg from last shot through PCT

[LightWeightBaby]

I would go with the second one, Bc prop is good for kickstarting but you would not also need the dbol . i would up the dbol to 35mg ed and do like you did in the 2nd cycle and end the last couple weeks with the prop.

[DocHoliday]

Yeah, they will taper out at the same time.

The point I was making is that EQ doesn’t yield results until after or about week 12. So go at least 12 weeks and then run the test one week after that.

Me, I would run Dbol at 35-40mg a day.

Also, I’m not sure liquidex AND nolva are necessary. One or the other.

Doc

[DocHoliday]

Ok, I see the new cycle. I like the way you have it laid out in the graph, but it’s still not a good cycle.

Too many compounds too. This cycle is to bulk right? Drop the primo as it’s hard to come by legit stuff and it’s pretty mild except its conversion to DHT which I shy away from.

No need to run both dbol and anadrol . Pick which one you’d rather use. I would also only use it in the beginning.

Run the deca at a constant level as well. End the Deca one week before the test.

See: http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=77608 for my already given advice.

See: http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=77578
About double kickstarting.

Savvy?

Doc

[DocHoliday]

Ok, I see the new cycle. I like the way you have it laid out in the graph, but it’s still not a good cycle.

Too many compounds too. This cycle is to bulk right? Drop the primo as it’s hard to come by legit stuff and it’s pretty mild except its conversion to DHT which I shy away from.

No need to run both dbol and anadrol . Pick which one you’d rather use. I would also only use it in the beginning.

Run the deca at a constant level as well. End the Deca one week before the test.

See: http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=77608 for my already given advice.

See: http://www.anabolicreview.com/vbulle...ad.php?t=77578
About double kickstarting.



Savvy?

Doc

**** it, wrong thread

[Xavier_4446]

Yeah, they will taper out at the same time.

The point I was making is that EQ doesn’t yield results until after or about week 12. So go at least 12 weeks and then run the test one week after that.

Me, I would run Dbol at 35-40mg a day.

Also, I’m not sure liquidex AND nolva are necessary. One or the other.

Doc

Ok now take a look revised:
1-4 40mg/ED Dbol
1-12 400mg/wk EQ
1-13 500mg/wk test enan
14-15 100mg/EOD test prop

Straight into PCT. What would you recommend for anti-e's?

[DocHoliday]

Are you prone to water retention?

I think nolva will be fine.

Cycle looks good to me.

Doc

[Xavier_4446]

Are you prone to water retention?
Doc

Somewhat. The enan right now if letting me retain a little water but the nolva kept it to a minium though

[DocHoliday]

should be fine, just run nolva from the start since you're starting with dbol

[Lord]

hope you make some big gains bro. good luck

[Xavier_4446]

Probaly won't start this cycle til june

[damiongage]

run the l-dex and nolva the way you are now imo

[Xavier_4446]

Question: instead of running the prop @ the end of the cycle for 2 weeks could I run it for 4? I love prop

[Mr. Sparkle]

it wont hurt anything

[Xavier_4446]

D*mn Straight