my experience with fina and some questions for the vets or more experienced

[Cleaner13]

ok guys I just wanted to type some of my experience with fina thus far and see how it compares with everyone elses etc

the first time I took fina I was doing 75mg EOD, I got slight acne and that was really it, then about 2 weeks after being off it I had a huge strength increase(no fat loss or anything though)

however while I was on it I felt very weak and sometimes tired or worn out when I went to work out

this time(2nd cycle of fina) I was on fina with 75mg ED, I get slight acne, no fat loss thus far, some agression but no strength increase yet I still feel tired and worn out sometimes when I go to lift

does anyone have these problems?

if it makes any difference the 2nd cycle I have been running the ECA stack
(trying to get as trim as possible)

here is my other question

I used MR Ts fina kit to make the fina, but everytime I do the conversion it only yields me with about 17 shots @ 1ml, I didnt drop any of the oils or fina pellets or anything but doesnt that seem like a little bit? by the way its with the 2G kit too

thank you guys very much and if anyone can offer any help on this please tell me, I am trying to get this working for me cause I think it might be something I am doing wrong

Carl

[somedude247]

I'm on my first cycle of fina right now...approx week 3....I'm feeling kinda sick...I think the fina has a lot to do with it..apparently makes people more succeptable to colds....the good news is I'm lookin harder with a little strength increase..nothin huge.....I'm stacking fina with enathate....

fina EOD 1.5 ml (100 MG strength per ML)
Enathate .5 ml 2 times per week ( 400 MG strength per ML)

[meathead84]

are you taking it with test or anything else, it makes a difference.

[Swellin]

If you are so concerned with getting cut, you might not be getting enough of the right calories...which can really lead to the lethargy you mentioned.
This is the second thread in a row that I have responded after meathead, and he beat me to what I was going to say...both times.

[Cleaner13]

hey thanks for the response guys

I am just taking the fina straight as I am able to make it and my source that I had, well I dont have anymore cause I was using a middle man and the middle man ****ed me over when I went to buy something from him directly, so I had lost the source in the process

[Swellin]

I garauntee that by adding test, you will kick this funk. Maybe not 100%, but it **** sure will change this for the better.

[Cleaner13]

you are probably very right

and yes I am trying to get cut, I honestly dont know what my BF% is but if I were to guess it would probably be around 12-11%
I added cardio for other days I am really trying to get the 6 pack showing, Im not really into getting huge which is why I chose the fina that and expenses but I havent really had any luck with it, Im gonna see if I can get some test prop to go with it next time

anything I can do in the meantime? I try drinking as much water as possible too but I dont think I am drinking the recommended 2 gallons to be honest maybe between 1-2

[Swellin]

What is your diet like right now?

I am not that good with diets, but I am certain that a small meal consisting of complex carbs and a protien shake...1.5 hours before going to the gym will help.

[Cleaner13]

ok I will try not to make this long

here are my stats FYI

5'10
182lbs
20 years old
lifting for 8 years about 5 real serious the first 3 were learning experiences

ok ever since I was young my body has been like a furnace I can pretty much eat as much as I want anyday (not junk and fast food and **** but just like regular home cooked stuff etc) and not gain any weight from it
my diet now is alot better then where I was at and I know its going to sound rediculous to you but I have everything lowered so I am eating around 300 carbs a day
Im italian and naturally I love pasta and high carb things like bread and cereal and stuff
my diet before the past 2 months consisted of about 600 carbs a day but I never gained any weight from it
I eat low fat though despite those rediculous #s I probably take in about 20 grams of fat at the most a day
protein is probably around 150 grams a day as well
now by changing the carbs to 300 a day I have lowered my weight from 195 to 182 now, this consisted of cardio, eca stacks and obviously the change in carbs.
right now I probably eat about 6+ times a day about the same with carbs, probably even lower than 20 grams of fat, and probably around 150 grams of protein(hard to find sources of high protein and low fat that I havent eaten that day already)
I try to drink lots of water, cranberry juice for kidneys

here is my workouts pretty much

day 1
chest
biceps

benching 3 sets
incline benching 2 sets
standing curls 3 sets
weighted reverse hand pull ups 2 sets

day 2
cardio workout

day 3
triceps
back

cleans 3 sets
weighted wide grip pull ups 3 sets
tricep push down with pulley on machine 2 sets
deadlifts 2 sets

day 4
cardio workout

day 5
abs
shoulders

ab pull down with pulley 3 sets
shoulder shrugs 3 sets
lower ab pulley (pull knees to chest with weight on feet) 2 sets
side laterals 2 sets

day 6
cardio workout


the cardio workout consists of this

3 sets of hanging leg lifts for lower abs
3 sets of 300 punches on a speed bag
then
30 mins on a treadmill

every workout starts with an ECA stack 30 mins before hand and ends with 5 grams creatine, 5 grams L-glutamine, a multi vitamin, lots of water and high protein meal

[Swellin]

I would definately up the fats and the protein. When I drop below 50-60 grams of fat a day, I get in a funk. I am also much more likely to get sick. Your fat and your protien should really be increased. Try the complex carbs and a protien shake before going to the gym, and see how that works for you.

[James Bond]

If you're to lean out you could consider adding some winny to the fina. It has a slight antiprogestagenic (I'm sure I'm misspelling it, sorry for my english) action and it will help so much not being lazy in the gym too.

[Cleaner13]

ok I think I figured out my prob and I cant believe I forgot to mention it

I am also taking cynomel for a 20 day cycle and I guess I just forgot about it since I usually take it first thing

could this be what my prob is?

also does anyone have any idea why I only get about 17ml out of the Mr Ts fina kit?