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    Article about HCG use: please comment!

    please, note that this is not my opinion or an advice!
    i just found this in the web and like to receive an "expert" feedback!
    also hope this could help other people with their cycles!

    This article has been written by a doctor:

    "I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

    Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid -induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

    If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

    The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex , is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

    I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel , or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

    I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

    All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."

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    this is nothing new. i have been doing this for ages. it is good to see that a medical professional has set people straight correctly. i say it all the time. its no wonder people's size gains fly out the window when they are done cycling. i think it is of utmost importance to keep urself HPTA regulated. 1000 iu of hcg /ew is a great idea ! or 500 iu hcg for the last 20 days of ur cycle finishing the day before clomid starts !

    cheers !

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    so why very few people consider to use it?

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    I just got the 10000iu of hcg , how would I get 500iu out of it and will it last me for 12 weeks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Max
    I just got the 10000iu of hcg, how would I get 500iu out of it and will it last me for 12 weeks?
    a little algebra and some biostatic water will do the trick, also get a empty sterile vial for after its mixed, and store it in the fridge

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    well it actually came with the vial of biostatic water, and I hate math but I'll what I can do, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mighty Max
    well it actually came with the vial of biostatic water, and I hate math but I'll what I can do, thanks
    here ill help ya out, you got a 10,000 i.u. right? and you want 500 i.u.'s a shot, soooooooo 10,000 divided by 500 gives you how many cc's of water youll need. have fun i cant make it any easier lol after adding that much water, each cc or ml will be at 500 i.u. strength

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    Take the water out of its vial and into the hcg , and if I'm right I would have 20 injections of 500iu. Also how would that convert to cc's and I will be able to use my normal 23g pins correct?
    Thanks for the help

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