Bad batch of ICN Galenikas?

**johnsomebody** · 11-04-2003, 01:16 PM

Hey bros,

After having gotten burned by at bad batch of QV enanthate I got hold of some ICNs which I now find may be way underdosed as well -batch #3507 1002 1007.

I knew batch #1582042 was bad, but I've heard from several bros and read several posts now saying #3507 is actually more like 150-180mg/ml, if that, rather than 250+. Some bros are reporting no results at all.

Anybody here have any experience with ICN Galenikas #3507?

**jdog55** · 11-04-2003, 01:23 PM

Bad batches suck.

Jdog55

[email protected]

**Da Bull** · 11-04-2003, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

Hey bros,

After having gotten burned by at bad batch of QV enanthate I got hold of some ICNs which I now find may be way underdosed as well -batch #3507 1002 1007.

I knew batch #1582042 was bad, but I've heard from several bros and read several posts now saying #3507 is actually more like 150-180mg/ml, if that, rather than 250+. Some bros are reporting no results at all.

Anybody here have any experience with ICN Galenikas #3507?

No...but I have the above mentioned.......thanks for the heads up.

**johnsomebody** · 11-04-2003, 02:43 PM

As usual with this kind of thing. some people on other boards report no results at all, some poor ones, and a few good results (though one of them later changed his mind).

Here are a couple links about that batch being bad...

http://www.anabolex.com/forums/showt...highlight=3507
"They are bad, i used 750 for 5 weeks and nothing, i have 35 more
that i am going to throw out, i dont think my source new at the time."

http://www.mesomorphosis.com/forums/...#Message368820
" i asked the same question re: 3507 batches quite awhile back on several sites. consensus (among several people that i trust who'd done them and even a source who'd sold them) was that batch was worthless....as hard as it was to do i just threw my stash of them away. "

**johnsomebody** · 11-04-2003, 11:17 PM

Bump? Nobody's used this batch?

**Animal Cracker** · 11-05-2003, 10:21 AM

I had some ICN;s that were poor. I will check the number of the old vials.

**Flynman** · 11-05-2003, 11:19 AM

I had a batch of the 3507 1002 1007 and got very little results after 6 weeks. I know 2 others who had the same problem.

**johnsomebody** · 11-05-2003, 04:51 PM

Bump?

**Da Bull** · 11-05-2003, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Flynman

I had a batch of the 3507 1002 1007 and got very little results after 6 weeks. I know 2 others who had the same problem.

What you do? Double up the dose?

**Da Bull** · 11-05-2003, 09:18 PM

Bump on my Q...please

**Money Boss Hustla** · 11-05-2003, 09:42 PM

Fucking ICN's!! I swear I will never touch them again!!

Lot 0020 sucked ass!! Myself and few others on this board said that they were severely underdosed.

Sticking to Schering.

**johnsomebody** · 11-06-2003, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by Da Bull

What you do? Double up the dose?

Good question -here's a quote from a dude at EF...

"Lot # 3507 1002 1007 - Consider them to have 'roughly' 180 mg - 200 mg of Test Enanthate per amp in them.

My 'guy' (he gets them STRAIGHT from Galenika AD) told me that they were underdosed by about 20% - 25%). A more recent batch on AB also 'alledgedly' just tested out 179 mg/ml.

Your lot # will work fine. 2 - 3 amps per week (3 ESPECIALLY!) should work just fine. They are just as painless and as clean as ever as far as injections are concerned."

I'm still trying to figure this out though because I'm reading a LOT of posts by guys saying they got zero gains on this batch, even at 750mg/wk and some saying they just tossed them without even trying them. Then there'll be one or two saying they got good gains on them.

Same old ridiculous stuff. Next it will be Schering Testoviron after I buy a pile of those.

**johnsomebody** · 11-06-2003, 12:01 PM

Bump for more comments? Seems like lots of people have discussed this on other boards for quite a while, but it's hardly come up before on AR for some reason.

**Jack87** · 12-19-2003, 04:31 PM

ICN's were known to be overdosed for some time before all this news of bad batches started coming out...

I have always loved them and have some right now, bout 100 to be exact and would be pissed off if they are underdosed...

Sounds like a case of a company that maybe knew they were making a good name for themselves by overdosing and overfilling amps for a long time, and now are cutting corners to make more profit???

This just doesn't sound right though, they are a legit company... I'm sure they must have some standards in place in Yugoslavia just like we have the FDA...

**Jack87** · 12-19-2003, 05:21 PM

I was the biggest fan of ICN's anywhere I think... So if this is true I'm gonna be pissed... I'm pretty sure my batches are good because my boy used 20 of the amps I got and he gained around 20lbs on just the 2 amps of the ICN's and some Deca for 10 weeks...

Not sure if the overseas bros would give up the truth about what's goin on, but it's worth asking...

Originally Posted by Peter North

you bring up all good points i just cant figure out why so many people are making the complaints. i went ahead and spent the small amount of extra money for the ICN's to save myself the question of legitimacy and now it appears i may have run into a slight question mark. PN

**Jack87** · 12-19-2003, 06:10 PM

I'll check them and either post it here or PM you tomorrow...

Originally Posted by Peter North

do you know what batch it was by chance??

**Vovan** · 12-19-2003, 06:44 PM

Its very sad to read such a threads

I always loved ICNs. They use thick oil but I never had any problems injecting this stuff. And ICN were always overdosed. From 2 ampoules I always had 2.3-2.4cc Wtf is going on??? My only guess about all those batches thats fake stuff... counterfeits... ICNs have very good reputation and many fans so I guess it worth to make fake ICNs

**Jack87** · 12-19-2003, 06:57 PM

Vovan...

That was one of my thoughts too... Counterfits...

But ICN's are so cheap why would anyone want to counterfit them?

Buying in bulk you can get them for $5 or less per amp from alot of overseas bros as I'm sure you know...

They have always been my favorite Test too, always afordable and hardly ever counterfitted... I still have some good ones, but now I'm concerned about buying a new batch...

Originally Posted by Vovan

Its very sad to read such a threads

I always loved ICNs. They use thick oil but I never had any problems injecting this stuff. And ICN were always overdosed. From 2 ampoules I always had 2.3-2.4cc Wtf is going on??? My only guess about all those batches thats fake stuff... counterfeits... ICNs have very good reputation and many fans so I guess it worth to make fake ICNs

**boosted m3** · 01-11-2004, 07:07 PM

my batch of icns are 1162040, is this a good batch does anyone have any idea?

**johnsomebody** · 01-15-2004, 03:49 PM

I've never seen anyone mention them as bad anywhere and I've looked.

From what I've read #3507 and #1582042 came underdosed from the factory. I suspect they were probably the reason they shut down for a while til they could correct the problem.

**BUYLONGTERM** · 01-15-2004, 03:53 PM

- GAL -->

**Da Bull** · 01-15-2004, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Flynman

I had a batch of the 3507 1002 1007 and got very little results after 6 weeks. I know 2 others who had the same problem.

IF YOU HAVE THESE BATCHES DOUBLE THE DOSE OR YOU'LL GET NOTHING >>TRUST ME...5wks in I swiched to british dragon,and grew like a weed.....never again on icn.ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

**palme** · 01-15-2004, 04:07 PM

D4mn im not feeling the love of my favorite testo Galenica

Ive never had any problems with underdosed or fake batches and i hope i never will! Bump for Galenica!

**zodiac66** · 01-15-2004, 04:41 PM

There was a time when ICN's where hot..really hot...but there reputations will forever be tainted...I don't know what happened...I no longer purchase them.

**boosted m3** · 01-15-2004, 08:17 PM

do you guys get sore after the injection of ICN? I do lasts about 9 days. Anyone?

**Sheek** · 01-15-2004, 10:26 PM

I never got sore after ICNs. I had lot 1699's and they were great. Gained 30lbs first cycle. I think there where a couple of bad batches before july 03

**boosted m3** · 01-16-2004, 03:09 AM

my lot is 1162040, any thoughts?

**Jack87** · 01-16-2004, 11:11 AM

Sounds like one of the newer batches...
Galenika has a website, they may have the info
right on the site, if not I may be able to get an
anwser for you...

Originally Posted by boosted m3

my lot is 1162040, any thoughts?

***JohnnyB*** · 01-16-2004, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by johnsomebody

I've never seen anyone mention them as bad anywhere and I've looked.

From what I've read #3507 and #1582042 came underdosed from the factory. I suspect they were probably the reason they shut down for a while til they could correct the problem.

It is the reason.

JohnnyB

**boosted m3** · 01-16-2004, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by buff87

Sounds like one of the newer batches...
Galenika has a website, they may have the info
right on the site, if not I may be able to get an
anwser for you...

I went to there site, I even emailed them, which I still did not get a reply. All I have to say is the test makes me sore for about 9 days. Alos makes my glute swollen.