difficult getting natural levels back

[REM]

i been off aas 7months ago, was my 5th and last cycle
which it took 7 months, the last 2 months of my cycle i did
straight durabolin from 400mg to up 600mg, 1 week later i
started my pct HCG 2500iu 1st 2weeks, 3rd week 1000iu then
500iued follow by clomid 100mg for 30days, 3 months later did
about the same way and i noticed that clomid wasnt really
helping sex wise, then i decided to stay on hcg longer as i
read 1 article about hcg runnig it longer works better but,
again i noticed sex problems as i stop hcg, now i been on hcg for the last 3months and i dont want stop it sex is good but my natural levels
r not there anyone having this problem or somebody can help
what else can i do to solve this non sense thanks guys...

[JohnnyB]

Bro being on hcg for long periods of time can cause low test levels. Your info is flawed. Go to a Dr and have your test levels checked. Stop the hcg, I've never heard of it helping your sex drive, can you post the study or the article you read that in?

JohnnyB

[Ozzy]

I was told that HCG increased sex drive. But this is only one persons "opinion". I would also like to see scientific proof. Isn't nolvadex or clomid suppose to help bring natural test levels back up ? I mean...that is why we do PCT...right ?

[Viking_Power]

Try some tribulus, it should help you get your test level up, but to be on the sure side go check with your doctor.

[REM]

i couldnt find such info regarding hcg posted by CYCLEON,
if i stop hcg what can i do to get my boys to work,
hcg has help me bringing my sex back and i feel good right but,
without it feels terrible, any other idea before i go to my doc?
see i have plenty hcg and 2 box of clomid can anyone tell me
a different way to do it? thank u all for ur help....

[REM]

is it possible i have testicular athropy?

[JohnnyB]

Try some nolva for 3 weeks at 20mg, here's a study on nolva compared to clomid

Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men.

Vermeulen A, Comhaire F.

The administration of tamoxifen , 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone , and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.

JohnnyB

[JohnnyB]

HCG mimics LH but if you use it to long it won't work anymore.

JohnnyB

[REM]

johnnyB is nolvadex same as tamoxifen ?
thanks for ur help bro....