Thinking Short Cycle - Opinions needed

**NJou812** · 01-19-2004, 07:43 PM

So, back to the debate on long vs short...
I'm interested in trying a short cycle as I have been reading quite a bit about them lately, with the object being:

1. Gain some quality muscle that I can keep (5-8lbs)
2. Try not to shut myself down too hard

I finished a Prop,Deca ,Dbol cycle and put on 30lbs, keeping 20lbs of that. I hated the bloating I got, even on 20mg Nolv/day. Also hated the clomid (300/100/50), made me a little crazy.

So here's what I'm thinking

A 3 weeker (yeah, I know some think it's a waste of time, but some people swear by the short cycles):
1-3 weeks:Prop 100mg/eod
1-3 weeks: Fina 75mg/eod
HCG instead of Clomid, although not positive on teh dosages of HCG.

Femara, or L-Dex as my anti-e.

OK - fire away, let me here some opions on this/better short cycle.

**DF2003** · 01-19-2004, 09:37 PM

bump

**Fartdaemon** · 01-19-2004, 09:40 PM

Yes short cycles like (Prop/tren ) are very good, I would extend the prop at least 1 week past your tren though....I don't beilive you can just use HCG , nolva works as a PCT so use the nolva like you used clomid

Good Luck,

FD

**NJou812** · 01-20-2004, 12:14 AM

Bump - looking for ideas opinions on short cycles

**NJou812** · 01-20-2004, 07:11 PM

one more bump

**Bartleby** · 01-20-2004, 07:17 PM

if youre gonna run it for only 3 weeks then i would suggest shooting ed instead of eod....i would still think you need some nolva and clomid for PCT, even though its a short cycle itll still shut you down somewhat...

**Mallet** · 01-20-2004, 07:19 PM

I bekieve short cycles are effective as long as your using fast acting gear ...most result on gear come in the first few weeks for me anyway's.
I like the tren and prop idea for sure...you could through in some winny or Var to the mix if you like...I like!

**zx7racing** · 01-20-2004, 08:33 PM

bart and mallet are making sense- use a fast esther, and include a proper pct just in case.
can you give some references where you were reading on short cycles? it sounds interesting

**tmeoe** · 01-20-2004, 08:39 PM

Yes short cycles can be effective if your using short acting esters, i.e. prop, fina, ect. This will allow you to run cycles more frequently, which is what you should do if you want to maintain gains.

**NJou812** · 01-20-2004, 11:52 PM

I read some of the stuff on EF, some big proponents of short cycles over there. One three weeker was 200mg/week test, primo and some winnie. The idea is that you don't need and anti-es and you won't shut yourself down , so you need very little PCT. Granted you only shoot to gain 5-8lbs

On a short Test Prop/Fina cycle, how short should I go - 3 weeks or 4? Do I need to go full PCT with clomid 300/100/50 (I hate that stuff, so does my girlfriend - she thinks I'm PMSing for three weeks...hahaha)?

Thx for your thoughts