1st cycle results....What to change for 2nd

**JEO3** · 01-24-2004, 09:59 PM

After my first cycle of test only, I was happy with my strength gains and put on about 20 lbs. body weight...I followed the cycle with nolvadex ....I have been off for a month and lost 10 lbs. right away(within first 2 weeks off from juice) and then gained about 8 back training natural..

Bench (1MMR)---Up 45lbs
Squat---Up 50lbs

My question is...For my second cycle, would adding clomid to pct help keep more gains...or is that just to help testicular function. I had no problem in that area as far as shutting down. The nolvadex took care of it I guess...I'm just looking to keep more of my weight on..Any suggestions are appreciated.

2nd Cycle:
Test E 500mg/wk 1-10
Decca 300mg/wk 1-10
(possiby) D-bol 30mg/wk 1-4

**LightWeightBaby** · 01-24-2004, 10:06 PM

I would add the clomid to the end of the cycle doing the 300/100/50 layout. Maybe bump the deca up to 400mg, and bump the dbol up to 35mg maybe 40 if you need more( i need to take 40mg).

LWB

**JEO3** · 01-24-2004, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by LightWeightBaby

I would add the clomid to the end of the cycle doing the 300/100/50 layout. Maybe bump the deca up to 400mg, and bump the dbol up to 35mg maybe 40 if you need more( i need to take 40mg).

LWB

Will that help keep gains or is it just for testicular theropy?? I've always heard it just helps your nuts start working again...Which i gues getting natural test back up would help keep gains too...??

**LightWeightBaby** · 01-24-2004, 10:15 PM

Well yes it will bring your nut back but It will also help keep your gains. I do not even use nolva for PCT only clomid and it helps keep almost all my gains. Of course if I were to run a larger cycle i would add nolva to the combo too.

**JEO3** · 01-24-2004, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by LightWeightBaby

Well yes it will bring your nut back but It will also help keep your gains. I do not even use nolva for PCT only clomid and it helps keep almost all my gains. Of course if I were to run a larger cycle i would add nolva to the combo too.

Really...i've always heard vice versa...nolva only not clomid...But i think i can get clomid easier this time around so may try it out...Nolva is best for Gyno symptoms though correct??

**LightWeightBaby** · 01-24-2004, 10:19 PM

yeah nolva is great especailly if you see any sign of gyno. I know some research companies even have a clomid/nolva combo though I have never tried it out myself.

**LightWeightBaby** · 01-24-2004, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by anasci.org

you could even start taking the clomid a week or so before the end of your cycle, that would help to keep test levels semi steady when you stop taking the test and it wont be such a shock to the body.. and will help keep gains

i have never tried this, in theory it sounds like a great idea.